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2 Ways to Solve the Illegal Immigration Problem

November 21st, 2008

The problem with illegal immigrants is not that they are here using our resources. The problem is that they are using our resources without contributing anything. America as a country was completely built on immigrants. There is nothing wrong with the idea of immigration. The problem comes when people do it illegally. They use our hospitals and our schools without paying taxes or getting health insurance. Now for the surprise, we should continue to let them use our hospitals and schools. That is not only the best option, it is the only option if we are going to be the country we say we are. If we are to be that shining city on a hill, we have to treat everyone as we would want to be treated. That means providing health care when it is needed and education for everyone.

A friend of mine who is a teacher wrote this responding to the question, “how much, if any, resources should go to immigrants”:

Thinking about this topic has made me think about why I went into teaching. The simple answer is to help students learn. I know that this topic is a hot topic in many areas and rightfully so, but as a teacher my job is to help prepare the students I have in my classroom to be productive citizens. I might be naive in my belief but I really do not care where a child comes from, if they are in my room, I will teach them. I presently live in a state where there is no state income tax but a high sales tax. This means that everyone, including undocumented immigrants pay the same tax that helps fund everything. Resources are limited everywhere, but if we do not allow all students to learn, what will the consequences be further down the road. It will mean that we will have a high uneducated society. Unless Washington changes their stance, educators need to educate, and policy makers need to make policy.

Now this is very interesting, and there are a lot of different angles to take into account.  As a teacher, you don’t really have much choice in the policy behind it, but he is definitely going at it from the right perspective in my opinion. I mean, the people in his classroom are here, and there is very little he can do about it. Also, the more highly educated immigrant is surely more useful to our society than an uneducated one. So from that standpoint he is exactly right.  Also, he is right that the sales tax is a great idea.  Using the fair tax in place of an income tax makes everyone contribute. From illegal immigrants to drug dealers,  everyone pays.  This is a good thing.

The problem is that illegal immigrants are taking from society without giving anything in return.  Health care, education, and other areas of public service. Illegals aren’t paying for these things, yet they are receiving them.  The thing is, we either have to stop them from coming in the first place, or we have to find a way to have them contribute.  Otherwise, our systems are going to go bankrupt due to the people who are taking from it but not contributing to it.

This leaves two answers that completely contradict each other.  On the one hand, we should provide health care and education for them because it is just the right thing to do.  You take the Hippocratic oath and an illegal immigrants comes to the emergency room with his arm dangling; you give him some morphine and put it back in place.  As a teacher, you should teach that kid how to do algebra no matter who he is or where he came from.  On the other hand, this is still a problem that needs to be addressed. It simply cannot continue to infinity because we will run out of money.

Hospitals are going bankrupt because of this problem. Too many illegal immigrants are going to the emergency room with the sniffles. As far as teachers go, we have more students to teach and the same amount of money to go around. This means larger class sizes and more teachers. However, there isn’t any extra money for those teachers, so that means lower wages. Larger classes also mean a worse learning environment for your children.  So now we are still talking about a less educated society, only now it is everyone.  So this is certainly a problem.  Now here is the solution.

Illegal Immigration Solutions

The solution has nothing to do with a fence or kicking them out; what we have to do is find a way that forces them to contribute. This seems like a silly thing to say, but it isn’t even that hard. Just make them pay for those things they are using now, and they aren’t leeches anymore. They are now productive members of our society. How do you accomplish all this? There are several simple things that can be done.  First off, it isn’t the immigrants that are cheating Uncle Sam, it is the employers who hire them for the cheap labor. Start enforcing the laws we already have and punish companies that pay illegal immigrants under the table. This means that to find work, the person must be documented. It is as simple as that. Another solution that would make things easy is the sales tax that my friend mentioned. In Tennessee where we live, we have no state income tax. This means that any illegal immigrant here pays the same taxes as I do. If we did this everywhere, illegal immigrants would no longer be a problem. They would contribute just as much to the system as they take out.

We should treat illegal immigrants exactly the way my friend described simply because it is the right thing to do. The problem is that it isn’t possible to do that forever without them contributing. The only ways to fix this are to make them leave, stop them from coming, or to make them contribute the same as everyone else. If you want to try both that’s fine, but it seems to me the simpler solution is to let them come if they want, but make them contribute. I suspect if we do that, all of a sudden it is less attractive to be an illegal immigrant. If we stop allowing them to leech, we will only attract the people who really want to be here. Those are the people we want here, and those are the people who will make positive contributions to our society.

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  1. Delaware Bob
    November 22nd, 2008 at 22:25 | #1

    There is no doubt that ILLEGAL ALIENS have caused more problems than anyone could have ever imagined. These problems WILL NOT go away until each and every ILLEGAL ALIEN is out of this Country and back in their own country where they belong. What gives them the RIGHT to be here breaking our immigration laws? WHAT?

    I believe it is up to the States to pass laws like Arizona, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Missouri and a few other States. If this happens, and it can, this time next year we will have something to be thankful for. Having our Country back and free of the slime that invaded this beautiful Country!

  2. November 22nd, 2008 at 23:24 | #2

    While I agree that they have caused more problems than we could have ever imagined, I think that it is a little harsh to call them slime. I agree, the laws against the employers that states like Arizona has implemented would solve the problem.

    However, I still believe that this country was founded on immigrants. It is the best country in the world, and I can understand why people would want to be here. If we just make them contribute like everyone else does, there isn’t really a problem anymore.

  3. Bonerobo
    November 25th, 2008 at 00:38 | #3

    There is a really easy way to fix the problem. Give a mandatory prison sentence to the people who hire the illegal aliens. Give Green Cards to any illegal and their family if they turn in an employer who hires them. The illegals are here to feed their families and better themselves. Demonizing them does nothing to fix the problem. Making the people who hire them illegally go to jail would do wonders to help the problem. Anyone who thinks that it would be extreme to do this, look at it this way; they are committing tax fraud. Lie about your taxes, you do time. Do not pay taxes, you go to jail. Hire someone and do not pay taxes on that individual, go to jail. It is the employers who are the problem.

  4. bobzibub
    November 25th, 2008 at 00:40 | #4

    Contribute nothing eh?

    “The results are surprising. By focusing on the economic costs and benefits of legal and illegal immigration, Professor Hanson concludes that stemming illegal immigration would likely lead to a net
    drain on the U.S. economy—a finding that calls into question many of the proposals to increase funding for border protection.”


  5. John
    November 25th, 2008 at 01:11 | #5

    “They would contribute just as much to the system as they take out.”

    Actually, no. The way that things work is that everyone puts in and only some take out. In fact, I think that part of the angst over this is that there are people who are getting more than their fair share. You see it also in terms like “welfare queen” from the Right end of the political spectrum. People are indignant that someone is trying to live off of the money they paid in.

    If everyone took out only what you put in then you would be limited in your health care to just what you’ve paid in sales tax. So, if you’ve purchased say $10k in goods, and paid 10% tax on that you would only get $1k in medical services back. If, to use your analogy, your arm was dangling and it cost $3k to put it back then you’d have to either buy another $20k in taxable goods, or come up with $2k somewhere, or be stuck with a dangling arm.

    That’s not how it works. One, there is no way to track who has paid how much into the system. Two, even if there were, attempts to make someone come up with the difference often fail because they use fake addresses (so immigration can’t find them). Once the arm is back on they’re never seen again. And three, doctor’s can’t generally choose who to treat and who to pass on based on cost. If there is a medical need they must treat the person in front of them.

    The way it works is that everyone’s money goes into a pool and only those who need it take some out. Same with schools. Everyone pays for schools, but only those with kids get services in return. This is called redistribution.

    So, you have to look at $’s of services received vs. $’s of tax paid to see if they are equal. Usually, there is an economic divide involved that exists whether citizen or immigrant. Poor people generally pay less into the system than they take out. Richer people generally pay more into the system than they take out. When you have a large increase of largely lower income people via an undocumented population, that is where the significant problems arise. Getting the tax level equal between immigrant and citizen will not change the economic divide problem.

    In fact, most employers are given a SSN when they hire an illegal. The federal government, which btw gets nothing from sales taxes but also contributes to the same hospitals and schools that you say are funded by sales taxes, is sitting on ~$40 Billion in money that was collected under the wrong SSN. This is largely from work done by illegal immigrants using someone else’s SSN. So, it would seem that illegals *are*, by and large, being taxed correctly. We are just misappropriating the money. And yet we would still have the financial issues with services because they are using the highest cost services when they should be using the lower cost services. So, we would have to lower barriers to seeing lower cost professionals. But this would cost them money, either in health insurance premiums or out of pocket, rather than the government. Why would they do this if they not only increase their risk of getting caught, but also don’t have to? So, we see what we see now.

    I agree that we need to force employers to do a better job verifying documentation, simply to reduce identity theft. Or, some sort of amnesty program would get them on the books, and make it easier to collect for excess services.

    I also agree with the notion that helping them while they are here helps us in the long run. When they do go back, and many are going back because the market here is tanking, they are taking back skills and education that can be used to stimulate their own economies. Hopefully, they can get their own countries in order. The only way that the problem is ever going to get any better is if their countries aren’t the type of place where it’s worth the hassle to come here.

  6. November 25th, 2008 at 01:28 | #6

    I agree that in general contributions vary greatly depending on the wealth of the person, poor generally taking more and rich giving more. However, for the most part illegals are not really paying anything. Some are using stolen SSN’s or whatever, but many are just being paid cash under the table. That way the employer avoids paying social security and medicare taxes as well.

    I also realize that different taxes go towards different things, I was just pointing out that my state is run on a sales tax instead of an income tax, and this could potentially be done on a larger scale.

  7. sue le doundrans
    December 7th, 2008 at 11:04 | #7

    i have read all the above. some are rright some rae wrong. i used to live in AZ. the schools are horrible they speak spanish first and its mandatory to take a spanish clas. as these teachers KNOW** these kids are illegal..they still teach them. its bull. and the under the table paid illegal immagrnts…what a shame..they need to make thier own country better and not inflate ours..mexico can be a good place if they make it better. they shouldnt be allowd over here. all they have to do is take a dam test. thats it.

  8. DAve
    December 18th, 2008 at 00:43 | #8

    I have to say if we had a firm grip on our borders and word spread south that it was useless to try to get in here, that traffic would stop. THEN, and ONLY then, we could take steps to assimilate as taxpayers the ones who are already here.

    I do not propose inhumanity, only sovereignty. No nation on earth pays so little attention to its borders as the USA. Other countries think we are fools, or else don’t even BELIEVE it’s as bad as it is. Heck, we don’t even ask for ID when people VOTE. I once told a German that, and he practically passed out.

    February 19th, 2009 at 14:34 | #9

    electric fence at border!!

  10. Eddie
    April 15th, 2009 at 07:43 | #10

    “Illegal” people in this country do in fact contribute very much to this country. They do pay social security, because, as John stated, they do provide fake social security numbers to their employers. They might even contribute more than a regular person would, because they cannot claim their taxes, so they will not get any tax money back. Also, many of the jobs they do are ones that the oh so mighty people of america would not normally do. Who would like to pay $10 for an apple? Or $20 for grapes?
    Some of you said that the illegals should just go back and “fix” their country. It is not that simple at ALL. Mexico, for example, is run over with many types of corruption and currently is having many problems with the drug wars. Many good people try to fix the problems, sadly, many of them fail to succeed due to those same problems. Even if all the illegals returned to their own countries it is highly unlikely that they will contribute in any great way to fix this problem. The outcome would be that the US economy tanks and there is a shortage of work in other countries.
    Some guy said about an electric fence at the border. Seriously? What type of messed up country would come down to such inhumanity? Another lady mentioned that what a person needed to do to become illegal was “just take a test.” If it was that simple millions of people would be doing it. Green cards are extremely hard to come accross, because each year there is over 9.1 million qualifyed people who apply, and only 50,000 people get it. Also, there are many countries from which people cannot apply, including Mexico, Brazil, Cananda, China, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, India, Jamaica, Pakistan, Philippines, Peru, Poland, Russia, South Korea, United Kingdom, and Vietnam.
    So now tell me, what is there to do about this problem? Amnesty seems like a plausible answer doesn’t it? The government would be receiving money for the fines the illegal immigrants would pay to become legal, and many issues would be solved. At that point, the US would need to help other countries build up their economies and help spread prosperity. This way, the amount of immigrants coming to this country would decrease. Having people wanting to come to this country is not a bad thing though, because that means this “land of opportunity” still has much more to offer than many other countries do.

  11. Regie wayens
    May 14th, 2009 at 13:45 | #11

    i thin most of you here are racist people that dont even help this country if immigrants dont take those jobs that you lazy bumbs dont want to do who would do them!

  12. May 14th, 2009 at 14:17 | #12

    @Eddie - most of the time they do not get fake social security numbers. they simply work for dishonest employers who also want to get out of paying payroll taxes. they get paid with cash under the table.

    @Regie - right now we have millions of unemployed workers in this country. many of them would be happy to do the jobs illegal workers are doing. I personally spent three years roofing, which is one of the hardest jobs there is that many illegals are currently doing. please don’t call me racist or lazy because i am neither.

  13. wendy
    November 26th, 2009 at 19:12 | #13

    i agree with the person who said that the U.S. is basically all immigrants… well 1st off let me start with the fact that every illegal immigrant i have known pays all the taxes required by the state… and to say they used up more than they contribute would also be a lie… this is impossible to do when you do not meet the requirement of being a citizen in order to use some of these public services. Also, most mexican families (maybe even other races, i am not sure) refuse to see a doctor unless they have shown signs that the illness has become very serious, so i wouldn’t think that is a problem either, for what is the likelyhood that every illegal immigrant will get a serious illness? and as i said before, they dont even meet the requirements. I do agree that the irresponsible and even criminal ones should be sent away, but i believe this for everyone, even citizens. Also, for those who say they should be sent back, shame on you! many of these illegal immigrants came looking for a better future for their children, most of them just so happen to be citizens! These children have every right to be here with family and everyone they love altogether. Illegals leave because Mexico, although a very beautiful place, is a corrupt place with an even more corrupt government. would you go and fix it for them, since it is so easy? Do you mean to tell me that if you were in the same position, you would stay there? See this is what really gets to me, so many people judge and criticize those when they have rarely suffered a day in their life, when they never had to worry about the complications brought upon the lives of their families, they judge without really thinking about it, without thinking what they would have done if they were in those situations. oh, how i would love if those type of people can switch lives with the others for just one day! Lastly, for those who think its so easy to obtain citizenship? think again, not only can obtaining it be very expensivie, but usually it needs to be done through marraige or you actually have to be related to a citizen. i have no idea what you must do to gain residency but i do know that those are requirements for citizenship. I strongly believe in what our declarations of independence says, all men or people are created equal,whether they are citizens or not… but then again we live in a world of hypocricy so i shouldnt be surprised.

  14. Shelly
    December 3rd, 2009 at 02:05 | #14

    @sue le doundrans
    First of all that test is not as easy at it seems you because its easy for you but if you would take a test were what you saw was strange and you had no idea what the hell you were reading then you would understand yeah its bad but if the govt gave working permits Im sure that once they made money they would leave the reason they stay is because if they go back they can’t come back so if they had a chance to work in the US for a certain time and go back trust me we wouldnt be having this problem.

  15. Shelly
    December 3rd, 2009 at 02:19 | #15

    I really hate hearing people talk trash and treat us like animals no wait less than that. No matter what we’ve done we are equals and I dont care about social status or race. Actually they went through alot to have an oppportunity to help families back in there countries get food water and shelter for them. Its so funny how no one stops to think that it is possible that you have and immigrant in your family tree making you a child of immigrants just like me? that maybe they were not trated badly because for instance indians are not violant and believe in helping others and pilgrims came to there land and using there resources but I never heard they were treated like crap because to them there were there brothers and sisters no matter how they looked. So if everyone would stop talking mess and seriously I would for some of you to try coming walking through the dessert and swimming the Rio Grande I bet it wouldnt be that easy…

  16. kid 1
    January 24th, 2010 at 19:24 | #16

    i bet that americans would take the jobs that are filled by immigrants. for example, there are millions of illegals hired by contractors. hell, i’d do construction. if they could reform the immigration system it would help a lot. and i am not racist. but the immigrants that come to our countr should do so legally. the process may be difficult and requiring reform, but maybe if the US government sees the problem for what it is, theyll fix it.

  17. January 24th, 2010 at 21:44 | #17

    @kid 1
    I completely agree. There are so many people that would be willing to do those jobs. I am mostly angry at the employers that are being dishonest and the government for not enforcing the laws we already have. The immigrants are just like you and I, they are just trying to feed their families.

  18. ANA
    February 21st, 2010 at 21:44 | #18

    i think this is all BS because if it wasnt for immigrants this country will be sh!t.. all the mexicans work at the filds picking up the fruit so all of the other white trash could just go to the store and buy it.. other mexican immigrants go and clean up your yard, or they go clean your house because the Americans are LAZY to clean there own house.. if this country wount have immigrants it would be the suckiest country. thats my opinion.. and YES im proud to be MEXICAN and not a white trash that dosnt know how to even know how to heat up a tortilla or make food food they just go to McDonals or other fast food resturant.

  19. ANA
    February 21st, 2010 at 21:46 | #19

    oh and the reason that immigrants are hired is because WE know how to work hard!!!!!!!!. this is for KID 1

  20. ANA
    February 21st, 2010 at 21:55 | #20

    @kid 1
    your not hired becuase you dont knowhow to work .. and the immigrants (MEXICANS) DO know how to work THATS WHY WE ARE HIRED!!!!

  21. February 21st, 2010 at 23:55 | #21

    I’ve worked in construction before and there are lazy immigrants, good immigrants, lazy Americans and good Americans. The reason the immigrants get hired is because businesses want cheaper labor. When it is ILLEGAL it is in cash under the table meaning they don’t have to pay any taxes. The immigrants don’t pay taxes so they are also able to work for less. Don’t kid yourself into thinking you are the only person who knows how to work. It’s about the money just like everything else.

  22. Chase Butler
    April 8th, 2010 at 08:38 | #22

    All these are valid points that I agree with. There is one thing we are overlooking. We can’t just have an influx of immigrants with a society that says once you make it to our shores or over the river, you get your papers. There is a system in place to becoming a United States Citizen and it needs to be followed by everyone!

  23. April 29th, 2010 at 10:29 | #23

    hey bitch fuck you….you stupid americans always be talking about this is a free country and wether you like it or not we taking over… fuck you and your white trash bitches thats y most white kids be trying to act like if their mexican and that they be getting in mexicans gang n get shot putos

  24. May 14th, 2010 at 11:54 | #24

    First I want to apologize for snoopyloco obviously is young,angry or ignorant.
    No we do not want to take anybodies job or country. We only want to give our families a safe,free and good live. I wish all the people who thinks of us so little would infact switch for one day and walk in our shoes. I don’t think people would keep on comming here illegally if the companies would stop breaking the law! and not hire all of this people with out the proper papers.
    Lets be honest we are not taking your jobs your own companies want to pocket
    all that cash. Lets put them in jail and make them pay for breaking the law.

  25. A P
    May 29th, 2010 at 06:05 | #25

    @Delaware Bob
    They want a better life just like your ancestors did. Statistic states this country would not be what it is today without the hard hard work of immigrates. Do I think there has to be a solution to illegal immigration yes. The only true answer is if employers are severely fined,taxes and charged. If they cannot find employment they will not come. Simply, but of course you want them to clean and do your yard without penaltity to you and that’s the problem……..

  26. DBCoop
    June 1st, 2010 at 12:13 | #26

    @Derek Clark
    So, what you are saying, is that dishonest employers are the real problem here. Go after the people hiring illegals, and one part of the attraction for illegal immigrants of America would be curtailed. That would also make the workers contribute by paying the taxes that they are supposed to be paying…I agree!

  27. June 11th, 2010 at 16:05 | #27

    @A P
    I don’t want or need an illegal immigrant to clean and do my yard work. People that do are just as bad as the employers that hire illegals. We have 17% real unemployment, you should be able to find a citizen to do these jobs.

    Thanks. I really believe that employers are the real problem here.

  28. Curt
    June 12th, 2010 at 10:14 | #28

    I was watching a show called dirty jobs and saw them determining the sex of the alligators to decide which ones to return to the wild. I think they need to return them to the wild in the Rio Grand River. That way we as Americans can still be politically correct and allow the alligators to eat them slow swimming mexicans instead of our troops popping a cap in their illegal asses… I bet if they started coming up missing in the waters it would deter them to a virtual stop… or… Our troops could just have moving target practice as they swim pop a cap in them and let them sink. The mexicans have their army on their borders to keep people out and if you come into their country or any other country illegally they will put you in jail and only feed you what your family sends you other wise you do not eat in prison.

    I admire so many other countries that keep people out of their country illegally. Why are we the ONLY country who worries about being politically correct or hurting some ones feelings. I say take care of your own kind first and foremost and let the others fin for themselves.

  29. Gertrude
    June 13th, 2010 at 16:03 | #29

    Wow this thing has been in debate since 2008. Wow…

  30. nathan rodriquez
    June 26th, 2010 at 22:34 | #30

    First of all to call Mexicans illegal aliens is just wrong nobody called your people aliens when you came and stole their land. Second if you want to bridge the gap make these Mexicans citizens or give them a green card all of them are willing to work and pay taxes so make them do that. Also mexicans are not the only people who use the emergency rooms for little scrapes. I live in California and the majority of people on the side of the road asking for money are Caucasian and African Americans rarely do you see a Mexican asking for money on the side of the road. Why? because we are willing to work. Drive by a Home Depot on Monday morning and see how many mexicans you see wanting to work!!!!!!

  31. Nimrod
    June 27th, 2010 at 10:38 | #31

    All PEOPLE in the U.S.A. here without legal documentation, are here ILLEGALLY! Who cares what they contribute, or how good of a worker they are, whether or not they take handouts. Immigration is legal. Someone who stays in the country without permission past the length of his/her visa, or enters this country ILLEGALY is called an ILLEGAL ENTRENT OR INVADER!!! What sounds less criminal to YOU??????
    Doesn’t matter what you call it! ITS AGAINST THE LAW TO BE IN THE U.S.A. WITHOUT PERMISSION!

  32. LISSET
    July 5th, 2010 at 22:05 | #32


  33. Curt
    July 6th, 2010 at 08:20 | #33

    LISSET….Is that the extent of you’re intelligents. When you can’t defend your political position, you do what the less intelligent people do (example…LISSET) call others derogatory names. Are you an illegal invader LISSET???

    I still like my idea of filling the Reo Grande River with aligators. Also we need our government to heavily fine company’s that hire illegal invaders. If they are not being hired, they will crawl back into the hole they came from. California is bankrupt because of the illegals sucking off of the system. 43% of the prison population in California are illegal invaders. 62% of people going for treatment in the emergency rooms in California hospitals are without insurance….you guessed it…they are illegal invaders. How much more can America afford??? Would you like to sacrifice the rest of the U.S. to be politically correct. I love America and I want to see it prosper, but we’ll never get back to prosperity if we continue to give all of our hard earned tax dollars up to take care of the illegal invaders. Use your head for more than a hat rack and think a little!!! *uck political correctness and reward hard work and people who abide by the laws of this land.

  34. Curt
    July 6th, 2010 at 08:26 | #34

    nathan rodriquez :
    First of all to call Mexicans illegal aliens is just wrong nobody called your people aliens when you came and stole their land. Second if you want to bridge the gap make these Mexicans citizens or give them a green card all of them are willing to work and pay taxes so make them do that. Also mexicans are not the only people who use the emergency rooms for little scrapes. I live in California and the majority of people on the side of the road asking for money are Caucasian and African Americans rarely do you see a Mexican asking for money on the side of the road. Why? because we are willing to work. Drive by a Home Depot on Monday morning and see how many mexicans you see wanting to work!!!!!!

    Go call a WWWambulance….Are you afraid you might hurt someone feelings…Get a life and learn a little bit of reality. 3 Billion dollars a year of U.S. dollars are being sent to mexico every year by the illegal mexican invaders. They are a drain on our society. They’ve already drained their country. That is why they want to come up to our great land.

  35. Sticks&Stones
    July 23rd, 2010 at 22:52 | #35

    At least you can speak english, now you just need to work on spelling english correctly.

    What really makes me frustrated is illegal immigrants come here then have children, who are American citizens, but most of them don’t teach their children english. They think the schools are suppose to do this. Of course the schools will try, but then there is no help at home. Most of the parents refuse to learn english or even help their children learn. If you are going to come to a country to live, go to the library (most teach english for free)and learn it. Then teach it to your kids. It’s fine to want them to speak spanish, but they need to learn both.

  36. September 12th, 2010 at 22:31 | #36

    Actually the American Indian was preceded by the Clovis people. A few years ago they uncovered a culture that preceded the Clovis people.

  37. hope
    September 13th, 2010 at 21:41 | #37

    immigrants do contibute to the united states u @#$%&^$@#$^*(*&^$%$#^(

  38. ME
    September 14th, 2010 at 08:41 | #38

    @hope Immigrants can and do contribute. That topic, we are not disputing or even discussing. We are discussing illegal aliens entering this country illegally (definition: not following our laws) and bringing the DRUG TRADE with them. In addition the illegals are bringing great costs to hospitals, local school systems, the prison population (43% of California’s inmates are illegals), crime, and taking of U.S. jobs when over 10% of U.S. citizens are out of work! Illegals are a drag on our society in many ways as listed above. Now we need to heavily fine companies that hire illegals, put a large population of alligators in the Rio Grande River. Let’s see how fast they can swim. Then put our National Guard all along our border and start picking them off as they try to invade our country. Three very simple ways to stop this Bull Shi*. Use common sense people. Stop trying to be politically correct because it is destroying this country from the inside. There will be no other free country that any one can escape to if this country goes down economically. This country will look like a very large third world country with two economic classes, the very wealthy and the very poor. Think people! Use your head for more than a hat rack!

  39. viri
    September 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 | #39

    I Like what you are saying speak for the people who are afraid to do so

  40. viri
    September 22nd, 2010 at 12:39 | #40

    I ment for Nathen, not for the rest of you

  41. Lori Pobuk
    October 7th, 2010 at 02:59 | #41

    illegal immigrants are not bad because they dont contribute and are leeches. they are bad because they are illegal…hence the name ILLEGAL immigrants. america should do what you said and make it undesirable to come to the us, but america should not do it so much that even americans hate it…. we need to balance it. punish all illegal immigrants because they broke the law but also give them a chance to become a citizen if they truly want to be an american

  42. Lori Pobuk
    October 7th, 2010 at 03:03 | #42

    sure they do they contribute to america the drugs they want… but do we really need them to do the “poorer” jobs? america does not need them to “contribute” anything. with our poor economy we can give more jobs if the illegal immigrants didnt have them all…

  43. hiopppy
    October 20th, 2010 at 08:51 | #43

    @Delaware Bob
    this is not ur country.ur an immigrant too so dont be sayin u want ur country back.everybody that thinks like u are STUPID.immigrants are the one the help the economy if immigrants werent here then the economy would come dowm. immigrants are part of the united states just like you.

  44. hiopppy
    October 20th, 2010 at 08:53 | #44

    @Lori Pobuk
    u are wrong americans think so stupid
    americans are the lazys people ever thats why u need an immigrant to do ur nasty job.

  45. ur mom
    October 21st, 2010 at 13:47 | #45

    what gives you the right to throw us out?! amercians came illegal here in america! and threw out the indians! so maybe ur the on who needs to back to british or watener!!!!!

  46. jcx93
    October 29th, 2010 at 15:45 | #46

    @sue le doundrans
    first of all learn how to spell and second your just another racist b****

  47. jcx93
    October 29th, 2010 at 16:30 | #47

    @Sticks&Stones You are so wrong!parents that are illegal immigrants would really want to learn english because their lifes would be much easier. You really have no idea how desperate they become not knowing how to speak english. The reason why they cant take english classes its beacause they are either working day and night and are taking care of their family.

  48. voiceoreason
    November 4th, 2010 at 17:51 | #48

    We have every right to enforce our sovereignty and remove illegal immigrants. The problem is that they just come right back over the border. The border cannot be sealed just through fences or even walls. The only real way to enforce the border would be to shoot anyone trying to cross it. But now were getting drastic aren’t we?

    Why don’t Canadians flood over the border like the Latin Americans do?n It because they have a stable economy and a good living standard. The living standard in countries in Mexico and further south are directly related to how the 1st world exploits them.

    Don’t demonize the U.S. only the entire developed world has thrived at Latin America’s expense, same as Africa. The only real way to stop the flood of people is too make coming here unattractive. That starts by us enforcing our own laws on immigration. Followed up helping countries south of the border develop an equivalent living standard.

    Unfortunately none of this will actually happen.

  49. tory ni
    November 15th, 2010 at 10:54 | #49

    Illegal Aliens hahaha “This Nation was built by immigrants” also being an unauthorized immigrant IS NOT A CRIME IS A CIVIL OFFENSE stupids!!!!!!

  50. Natalie91
    December 6th, 2010 at 15:18 | #50

    I believe that amnesty is the best solution. We have so many illegal immigrants that contribute to income taxes by their ITIN numbers yet we have a larger amount who do not want to contribute because they feel as if they are not part of this country. By creating amnesty, we would allow for people to feel as if they’re part and they might even change their attitude towards our country. We need most of the illegal immigrants in this country because they provide labor that many of us do not want to do, like work in Mcdonalds for a cook or a yard cleaner. For all of those who believe that there are many americans who want those jobs, do you really believe that it is that difficult for them to find one if illegal immigrants can? Fast food restaurants do not pay under the table… i believe that if you are a U.S. citizen, you shouldn’t be complaining much about illegal immigrants because they are helping our country in a positive way. I can be whomever i want to be because i can take advantage of a college education and not compete against an illegal immigrant for a job.

  51. Who knows
    December 9th, 2010 at 06:01 | #51

    I do agree with you on the fact that we should find a way for them to contribute just like everyone else. It makes a lot of sense. I do have one problem with your solution though for this. If we force businesses to not pay undocumented workers and assume they will listen (under the table already is illegal but it isn’t easily enforced), where will the undocumented worker get wages? They will have no source of income, so no money to contribute to our society. They will still have access to the same services as before, resulting in an even worse circumstance where more illegals will be in need of welfare. You are on to something but this exact solution is not plausible. Sadly, there is no simple solution.

  52. December 20th, 2010 at 08:01 | #52

    The thing that irritates me is people who say we have a legal process when they are already told or know how hard it is to immigrate here. Also immigrating to america is not like going to see a high priced show it’s about survival this country is also not anyone’s house.

  53. omar campos
    December 21st, 2010 at 08:33 | #53

    you all are some rascist assholes. I want to see what would happen to the u.s. infrastructure should every illegal “alien” return to their respective countries for a month. all you white supremacists would have to go out and get a fucking job at walmart or mcdonalds. suck on that bitches @Delaware Bob

  54. omar campos
    December 21st, 2010 at 08:36 | #54

    by the way im mexican too so all you white rascist motherfuckers can chupar mi hueso putos!!!!

  55. MM
    January 20th, 2011 at 15:59 | #55

    First off, all of you who call these people white racists, are being just as bad, you have no idea what the color of these peoples skin is, you are assuming that they are white and therefore being just as racist as they are. Further, using the profane language that you are choosing to use just makes their point valid that they believe you are uneducated. Using those kind of words does not help get anyones point across.

    Now for my real point. These “illegals” as you call them are not cheating the system anymore than most of the wealthy in america. Most of the taxes paid are paid by middle class people. If you can afford to hire a good enough lawyer and cpa, you can get yourself out of paying any amount of taxes by simply giving to campaigns or moving your money overseas. It is quite helpful that those campaigns that they contribute to, pass many laws and bills that help their companies make more money and cheat everyday people out of money everyday. The “illegals” pay taxes out of every paycheck just like you and i do. They might not pay the right amount, but they still pay something. If you wanted to stop all of the tax fraud that happens “legally” in the USA, then vote for people who will put things into affect like the fair tax act. People pay federal taxes on what they buy versus what they earn. With this in place, no one could cheat the system, rich or poor, legal or “illegal”.

    Everyone needs to remember that we are all human beings, not any one better than the other. Some people are more fortunate than others and get dealt better hands, but you cannot beat up the ones who are trying to make their not so good situation better. I am not for or against having as you call them “illegals” in the USA however, i think that everyone should contribute the same and that no one rich or poor should be able to find a way to cheat their way out. Take time to be happy that you are alive and appreciate the things that you do have in your life. Tomorrow it could all be gone and if it is, it was pointless to be so angry with everyone.

    And to the people so mad about the “illegals” being in the country, what would you do if the US suddenly went to shit?? Would you not want to go somewhere that you could support your family? Then you would become what you are so against in some other country?

  56. belle
    February 15th, 2011 at 16:16 | #56

    i agree. they just need to do it legaly or not at all!

  57. Bee
    February 20th, 2011 at 12:47 | #57

    The fact that you called them indians is bad enough. They NATIVE americans. & the immigrants who came into America in the first place raped the land and forced the natives into giving them things or else they were shot with weapons they didn’t even know existed. So I don’t see how that pertains to this issue. But I don’t think that kicking all the immigrants out is smart either, we would have no workers. However, I do think that their employers and the immigrants themselves should be punished for disobeying the law. At this point, with our economy the way it is, I’m sure the millions of people who are out of work right now who also have families and homes to take care of would gladly take any job that they can get.

  58. February 24th, 2011 at 06:37 | #58

    The previous commentators tackled the issue of the immigrants never paying taxes which would help in these recession times and asking instead to have the same rights as the tax payers.
    Some people even came with the idea that the illegal immigrants who bought houses they couldn’t afford were one of the factors that triggered the financial crisis: http://www.financialcrisisforum.org/forum/Investing/Do-you-think-that-immigration-has-anything-to-do-with-the-fall-of-the-stock-market-438737.htm
    But from the pragmatic point of view, what can be done with these people?
    Unfortunately, illegal immigration into the United States is highly profitable proposition for both employers and the U.S. government, and it also benefits Mexico, which is the largest source country of undocumented immigrants into the US.
    The US and Mexican governments actively stimulated illegal immigrants to enter USA and to work illegally for profit-hungry U.S. employers. Poverty-stricken immigrants , who are often desperate to house and feed their families, respond to the financial enticements…and then are blamed by U.S. citizenry for illegally being in the US.

  59. Judy
    February 26th, 2011 at 10:54 | #59

    It amazes me the people that states the illegals are paying taxes.
    They are working the fields, they get minimum wage, but on that minimum wage they are trying to support 5 and 6 kids,they cannot do that so they go to the LEGAL TAX PAYING CITIZENS for everything, and anything they can get.
    I need surgery right now, I cannot pay for it, but they flood our hospitals, ER for anything they need for free.
    Since our so called government doesn’t do a thing about it, why don’t we post on the hospitals, and the borders a sign…”If you are pregnant go home, we will NOT help you here in the U.S.”
    Look at the hospitals that have closed, the LEGAL that worked hard to get those jobs, the hospitals close, they lose their jobs, do you think the illegals care???!!!Those people worked hard to get those jobs, the illegals has NO right.
    IF any employer hires and is caught with an illegal, their business should be shut down, and they should be fined, lose everything as they have done to a lot of hard working people here.

  60. Judy
    February 26th, 2011 at 10:55 | #60

    It amazes me the people that states the illegals are paying taxes.
    They are working the fields, they get minimum wage, but on that minimum wage they are trying to support 5 and 6 kids,they cannot do that so they go to the LEGAL TAX PAYING CITIZENS for everything, and anything they can get.
    I need surgery right now, I cannot pay for it, but they flood our hospitals, ER for anything they need for free.
    Since our so called government doesn’t do a thing about it, why don’t we post on the hospitals, and the borders a sign…”If you are pregnant go home, we will NOT help you here in the U.S.”
    Look at the hospitals that have closed, the LEGAL that worked hard to get those jobs, the hospitals close, they lose their jobs, do you think the illegals care???!!!Those people worked hard to get those jobs, the illegals has NO right.
    IF any employer hires and is caught with an illegal, their business should be shut down, and they should be fined, lose everything as they have done to a lot of hard working people here.
    We U.S. working tax payers are going to be outnumbered. In about 50 years, since the illegals are so open handed about getting so much free, what is going to happen when we are gone?

  61. joe hatesbeaners
    February 28th, 2011 at 15:40 | #61

    Go back to that dirty stinking filthhole your from.Take your ugly fat women and your retarded anchor turds with you.Have a nice day wetback

  62. Pedrinho Cortez
    March 2nd, 2011 at 10:11 | #62

    exactly they say THEY TAKE OUR JOBS !! WTH? if they said so is because they are not hard workers and they just want office jobs where no strenght is required @ANA

  63. Martha
    March 9th, 2011 at 18:41 | #63

    I’m not an expert on immigration nor am I going to claim to know statistics like the ones stated previously. I am, however, the daughter of formal immigrants. My father came to the United States (not America; America is a term used for the continent not the country) 22 years ago, give or take a couple of years. Through Reagan’s amnesty bill he was able to obtain legalization and in turn, after marrying my mom, was able to bring my mother and I from Ecuador. He is now the owner of two homes (which if I may point out are in absolutely no danger of being foreclosed) and both my mother and father are business people in their own field (contractor and nutrition). They are not the wealthiest people around but they hold their fort down, through the amnesty he was able to prosper here. Originally, his idea was to work and return to Ecuador because, being illegal (formally) his life here would have consisted of living in an old apartment building without heat during the winter and horrible electrical wiring preventing the use of any air conditioning during the summer. Once he was able to stay in the country legally he got down to work to bring my mother and I to NYC, legally. Without the bill, he would have simply returned to Ecuador and lived his life over there. People come to this country to better their lives, to provide opportunities for both themselves and their children, opportunities that are nonexistent in their own countries. My father was once an illegal immigrant and now he is a tax paying United States citizen in favor of amnesty.
    I never crossed the border but I admire those that do. Though it is against the United States’ laws to do this, it’s admirable to see the many men and women, even some children, walk through the desert and cross rivers just to give their loved ones a better opportunity. I am most definitely pro-amnesty. Without Reagan, I wouldn’t be here today. I would also like to point out that due to Reagan’s 1986 amnesty bill I am now a college sophomore in NYC.
    Yes my father was an immigrant, yes he came here illegally, and yes he broke the law in doing so however, what father wouldn’t like his daughter to have a bright future. My life in Ecuador would have been disastrous. Not only would I probably be married with children, I’d also live in a run down house without any dreams. The United States is the land of opportunity and one that many people look to in order to give their children a better life style.
    I can respond to each comment preceding mines but I’ll choose not to. The simple facts are that we are all immigrants, be it from Mexico, Portugal, Britain or Africa, our ancestors were not raised in the United States. I’m not able to provide a solution to the free rider problem however, I would like to point out that, as stated previously, unless an immigrant bore a child in the United States they are, most likely, not able to take advantage of any of the public services offered. Additionally, the free rider problem isn’t due to illegal immigrants, the problem is primarily caused by people that are, to be blunt, to lazy to work. Step into the Bronx, for example, and all you’ll see are hundreds of legal citizens lounging around knowing they’re taken care of by the government.
    Perhaps those of you that want to implement such harsh policies are unaware of what’s going on outside of the United States or just don’t care, but the reality is that as the most powerful nation, the United States has the responsibility of giving back, not only to citizens but also to those that, indirectly, contribute to its wealth and power.

  64. ramz
    March 11th, 2011 at 11:44 | #64

    @sue le doundrans why are you talking about immigrants (only being ) that just makes you sound like you dont know what you are talikng about because not only mexicans are immigrants ( you better start reading more and study not just say whatever come out of your mouth. Immigrants come from all over the world. i recomend you to study more…..

  65. LRR
    March 13th, 2011 at 18:55 | #65

    what gives you the right to judge every immigrant as if they’re all animals ?? what gives you the right to judge at all?? just because your from this “oh so beautiful country”?? i would love to see what this country would do without all of the immigrants. wait let me tell you. it would CRUMBLE! you really think white people are going to bust their asses from sunrise to the sunset everyday for low pay to pick vegetables for some ungrateful people?? or clean the houses of some snot nose rich person?? average Bob would be begging them to come back.

    @Delaware Bob

  66. James McDowell
    March 17th, 2011 at 09:45 | #66

    Recently, in Dallas, Texas, they passed an ordiance that if uopu are pulled over by the law enforcement and not able to provide proff of insurance, your car will be towed right away. Afterwards, to retrieve your car after beingn impounded, you must show proof of insuraqnce to have yourm car released. The Dallas impouinded lots began to fill up quickly and were full after nine days. Most of the impounded cars were driven by illegals. Not only must youn provide proof of insurance to have yourn car released, you have to pay for the cost of the tow, $350.00 fine, and charged $20 for every day their car is kept in the lot. I suggest other cities across the nation to follow what Dallas, Texas is doing. Not only is it getting uninsured drivers off the road, but it is taking away vehicles driven byn illegals that have not insurance that might endanger your life.

  67. Paola Leyva
    April 1st, 2011 at 14:02 | #67

    Biotches! I’m A Latina, And I Know My Parents Freakin Pay Taxes! They Fuckin Suffer Because You Fuckin Gringos(white peoples) Have Made It Hard For Them To Fuckin Get A Fuckin Job You Bitches! I’m happy That Governer Herbert Signed That Freakin Law. Atleast He Ain’t Selfish. By The Fuckin Way, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas as well as parts of Wyoming, Colorado, Oklahoma and Kansas, Were part Of Fuckin Mexico! So You’re Technically Kickin Us Off Our Own Fuck Barrio! You Know How Much Latinos Are Fuckin Being Reported Because Of You bitches? 50,000! And More! You Fuckin Gringos Are Ruinin’ Families And Relationships!. Guess Why There’s More Fuckin Gangs Than Ever?!?! They’re Fuckin Mad You Guys Are Kickin Their Homies Out! You Bitches I Hope You Guys Change Your Mind. What If You Were An “illegal alien”? What If You Got Ripped Apart From your Family? How Would You fuckin Feel?!?!

  68. pie
    April 3rd, 2011 at 09:20 | #68

    @Delaware Bob
    WHAT RIGHT they come so they don’t STARVE and for their CHILDREN so you know FUCK YOU BOB

  69. pie
    April 3rd, 2011 at 09:40 | #69

    @Paola Leyva
    hey all of you mother F****ers budwiser was made buy immigrants so every time you have a beer think “i wouldn’t be having this if it weren’t for immigrants”

  70. An American Citizen
    April 3rd, 2011 at 11:18 | #70

    I get so sick of hearing the same old thing over and over again from the illegal. “We do the work the lazy ‘AMERICANS” will not do. That is totally BS, always has been, always will be. See, you give them an inch and they take a mile. They walk right into your country and start demanding this and that, what next? Pretty soon “OUR COUNTRY” will not be “OURS” anymore. “AMERICA Better Wake Up” I don’t care if you made beer or not, I don’t drink! so your beer means nothing to me. And I have no desire to make mexican food, I don’t like it..and I will mow my own yard, and take care of my own children, we sure don’t need any of you.
    “We AMERICANS” did all those jobs before any of you came here, and we will still do those jobs after you are gone. Who do you think built this country? It sure wasn’t any of you! What we “AMERICANS” have built, is “OURS” and we will fight for it. How would you like it, if someone came into your house and took what was yours? And just said to you, like or lump it, you have to share with us? If the shoe was on the other foot and we all moved to your country, I would bet we wouldn’t get by with anything you all have done here, we would be put on a boat or sent back to “OUR COUNTRY” or worse. This isn’t “YOUR” country! This is NOT mexico, it is the “USA.” And if you want to be a citizen of this “BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY” then do it the right way. Otherwise, go back to your country and make it a better place to live. Instead of trying to make “OUR COUNTRY” into the third world cesspool you come from. And frankly, I don’t care what you think of me, call me what you will, it doesn’t matter to me in the least, it sure will not change my point of view about what I think, and I have a right to have my opinion, just like you do. And if you don’t like how things are here, why not go back home. This is “OUR COUNTRY” weather you want to admit it or not..I am not against “LEGAL” immigration, it is “ILLEGAL” immigration that I have a problem with. oh, and by the way, I am Cherokee Indian too, so I can’t go back to where I come from, cause I am already at home.

  71. lost
    April 13th, 2011 at 16:39 | #71


    You would have to be stupid if you think getting payed under the table you pay taxes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  72. lost
    April 13th, 2011 at 16:46 | #72

    hey you uneducated dumb ass if you had half a brain YOU COULD READ ILLEGAL YOU F#CING MORON PEOPLE COME HERE EVERY DAY LEGALLY !!!

    STOPPED INCEST 1 LESS YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  73. lost
    April 13th, 2011 at 17:02 | #73

    Paola Leyva :
    Biotches! I’m A Latina, And I Know My Parents Freakin Pay Taxes! They Fuckin Suffer Because You Fuckin Gringos(white peoples) Have Made It Hard For Them To Fuckin Get A Fuckin Job You Bitches! I’m happy That Governer Herbert Signed That Freakin Law. Atleast He Ain’t Selfish. By The Fuckin Way, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas as well as parts of Wyoming, Colorado, Oklahoma and Kansas, Were part Of Fuckin Mexico! So You’re Technically Kickin Us Off Our Own Fuck Barrio! You Know How Much Latinos Are Fuckin Being Reported Because Of You bitches? 50,000! And More! You Fuckin Gringos Are Ruinin’ Families And Relationships!. Guess Why There’s More Fuckin Gangs Than Ever?!?! They’re Fuckin Mad You Guys Are Kickin Their Homies Out! You Bitches I Hope You Guys Change Your Mind. What If You Were An “illegal alien”? What If You Got Ripped Apart From your Family? How Would You fuckin Feel?!?!

    #1..Gringo is not a white person


  74. April 19th, 2011 at 11:47 | #74

    I only got to read a small portion of teh article. Just to say, immigrants to contribute A LOT to American Society. They pay taxes and the taxes also on goods they buy and consume and do not even collect pensions or ss when these charges are taken away from them. Also, if you think they do not contribute, why don’t you rethink about that when you are having a meal???? Yes, the food you are ingesting if they were grown in US territory are in your plate because of the hard work if immigrants which get pay very little to pick up these products…. and actually America do get a lot form them since they get paid below minimum wage to be farmers…… now do you still think that they do not contribute??? BTW these are only a couple of thinks they do for America…

  75. Cortney NC
    April 19th, 2011 at 13:09 | #75

    Something that everyone is missing is the amount of US Citizens who are guilty of many of the same ‘crimes’ as illegal immigrants. Many Americans enjoy a multitude of free things from our government without contributing back to society. We have drug addicts, drug dealers, criminals (etc) sucking our nation dry of its resources. Things like food stamps and unemplyment checks, and breaks on health care are designed to help people in a desperate time, and are not designed to live off of the rest of your life. Illegal immigrants need to contribute back and so do these Americans.

  76. An American Citizen
    April 19th, 2011 at 19:46 | #76

    Cry me a bucket full will ya??? LMAO !!! sure your parents pay taxes!! they probably get paid under the table, just like all of you do. And if they pay taxes that means they “STOLD” someone’s ID, more than likely.
    What part of “ILLEGAL” don’t you get? Oh, please we have made it hard for you freeloaders to get a job? All of you have taken jobs in “OUR” country that belong to an “AMERICAN CITIZENS,” this isn’t even YOUR COUNTRY how is that possible for an “AMERICAN CITIZEN” to make it hard for you to get a job??? And WOW what a potty mouth you have. And how do you know who your talking too? And you are not racist? Don’t hate on the Whites PLEASE! And again we didn’t take your land, get it though your thick head, we bought and paid for the land we purchased it fair and square, deal with it. You own nothing! This is “AMERICA” not mexico, and it never will be mexico! Wrong again, this is not your land SORRY to disappoint YOU! Yep any time I see an “ILLEGAL” doing a job that should go to AN AMERICAN” I will report YOU to whomever I have too. YOU have NO RIGHTS in the “COUNTRY”. YOU are LAW BREAKERS, INVADERS, ILLEGAL!!
    Awww well, if YOU ALL don’t like the fact that we are RUINING families to bad..BUT the truth is, YOU ALL ruined your own families. YOU came into a country that didn’t invite you here, you broke our laws, and disrespected all the people that came here the llegal way, YOUR parents are to blame of the breaking up of families, not “AMERICANS,” don’t blame us, no one ask you to break the law and jump over here without being invited..If you want to be a citizen, why not do it the right way? Why sneak in the back door? Got something to hide? I don’t give a flip how mad you are that we are trying to send you all back where you came from. And trust me, we “AMERICANS” will stand up for our “COUNTRY” come what may. And you know what you can do with your gangs! send them all back with the rest of you all. no, we will NEVER change our minds, you can rest assure, this is “OUR COUNTRY” and “WE” will fight for our country. We are a nation of laws, if you can’t obey the laws that are there, then you are not welcome here, plain and simple. And I am NOT an “ILLEGAL” and I would never leave my country, I was born here and raised here and I will die here. Stop playing the victim, you came to this country by breaking the laws, and how is that “OUR” fault? I have no pity for your families, there are many of “AMERICAN” people without jobs and homes, those are the ones I feel sorry for, the “AMERICAN PEOPLE” certainly not any of you. If you get ripped apart from your families than you brought it all on yourselves, don’t blame us. And you have no idea who you are talking to, for your information, I am a Native American, sooooo guess what? I am at home.

  77. Eddie C
    April 25th, 2011 at 19:43 | #77

    So Mr./Mrs. An American Citizen… please explain to me how this government came into being and how these laws are created. Also, (as a request for the general public…) I would love to have a step by step process that defines the ways in which individuals can go back to their native countries and solve they’re issues. I would like to have these reports returned to me addressing every country that exports illegal immigrants into the United States. These countries include, but are not limited to, China, Haiti, Japan, Russia, Honduras, Mexico, England, Togo, etc. Please use Times New Roman, Font size 12, double spaced with MLA style citations, and a minimum of five pages. Do not forget to proofread and use spell check, because there will be points deducted for typos. Minimum of 5 pages. These are due on July 4th 2011 by noon, any papers turned in later will receive a 5% deduction of the overall grade for every hour it is turned in late.

    Also, please tell me how to fix the economy of each country, the US economy, the stock market, how to address the issues created by capitalism, whether capital punishment should be allowed, how to make a switch into renewable energy sources and how to avoid a world war from arising from a sparsity of clean water.

  78. Eddie C
    April 25th, 2011 at 20:03 | #78

    @lost please re-read my previous post, I never said that getting paid under the table included paying taxes

    Also I meant “their” issues not “they’re.” I do not want my views to be viewed as invalid or not sound due to typographical errors.

    A couple more questions…

    How do we address the large ILLEGAL (as many of you eloquently put it in all caps) problem of underage drinking? Or the handling and distribution of illegal substances such as drugs?

    I know some of you guys claim to hold the answers… Please don’t hold out! Your views can change the WORLD yaaayyyyyy right Judy, Bell, Viri, Curt, et all?

  79. Eddie C
    April 25th, 2011 at 20:08 | #79

    Don’t be afraid to contact your local legislators! Worse comes to worse… nothing wrong with handling the issue yourself and exterminating the ILLEGAL immigrant SLIME right? Hitler had a good idea didn’t he? If we can’t run the undesired people out of our country we should burn them!!! Or feed them to crocodiles… that will fix our problems :)


    Well you can tell me… but you will probably end up being burned too for disagreeing with my views. Just like the witches! OH those BLOODY WITCHES! The Salem trials reeeaalllyyy taught them well!

  80. dannie hern
    April 26th, 2011 at 10:45 | #80

    i just read one of the comments above, and saw that someone said it is just a matter of taking a test. i believe that if you are going to give your opinion on a subject you should really know all there is to know about it, or at least have a good understanding of it. it is not just a matter of taking a test, it is way more than that, money, paperwork, years of wait. people think that it is very easy to come and live in the US, but it isn’t. it is actually pretty hard. i do not agree with illegal immigration, i actually argue against it; however people should not use offensive words to describe illegals.
    the fact is that illegals living in the US, come illegally because they can’t pay all there is to pay in order to come in the country.they can’t afford coming in legally .

    i think the whole idea of making them contribute is a good idea. if the government lowers the prices of immigration costs to prospect immigrants, then everyone would want to come in. if the prices of immigration costs are raised, then we would have even more illegals in the country. if we ask the illegals to turn in their employers for hiring them, and paying them under the table, they are going to be very scared and more than likely won’t turn their employers in. however if we do what is done in the state of Tennessee, they will forced to pay in order to benefit themselves with our resources.

  81. April 28th, 2011 at 20:04 | #81

    @Delaware Bob
    Wow!! I understand your frustration with illegal immigration. but you are one ignorant person. what gives you the right to call anybody slime let alone people who have less than you could ever imagine. no its not right for them to be here illegaly but why doesnt the united states do something to help them become legal. if you had to take the test that they have to take you would be shipped to another country just like them. they are here risking their lives to feed and clothe thier families back home. and you want to say something like this when they are working harder than most born citizens. i am of native american, hispanic, and caucasian decent and i dont care what size color shape or anything you are no person has a right to call another person slime.

  82. somebody
    May 16th, 2011 at 17:08 | #82

    @Delaware Bob
    why do we call illegal immigrant aliens????
    its not very decent:P

  83. Daughter of a LEGAL immigrant
    May 18th, 2011 at 20:03 | #83

    @Paola Leyva
    Hey, you’re an illegal immigrant, it is unfair that you don’t have to pay taxes like the rest of our damned citizens. MY MOTHER was an immigrant, and she had to pay ALOT of money to come here, just to give our family a good life. And you think that it is unfair that your parents aren’t getting jobs because of us white people? HAHA. Your not even supposed to have those jobs, it’s the AMERICAN CITIZENS. US AMERICAN CITIZENS are the ones that are supposed to have the damned jobs. NOT YOU ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. You are stealing 4.3 billion dollars a year from us (I did my research), using our resources, and giving nothing back. You go to our schools for free, those are for our CITIZENS. You all are just free loading off of our government’s money! That money, could be used for things more important, LIKE RECOVERING OUR FUCKING ECONOMY. How dare you say that the white people are ’stealing’ your parent’s jobs. HOW DARE YOU. Do What do you choose?

  84. Daughter of a LEGAL immigrant
    May 18th, 2011 at 20:05 | #84

    Alien? Foreign? Make sense? Lol, dude.

  85. Daughter of a LEGAL immigrant
    May 18th, 2011 at 20:08 | #85

    True, true, but seriously. There is such thing as a “visa” and it enables you to come to the US, then after a few years of being in the US, you take a test and become a citizen. At least then, you are legal. The question is, why can’t they just do that?

  86. Martha
    May 18th, 2011 at 20:36 | #86

    @Daughter of a LEGAL immigrant

    I don’t mean to insult you in any way, but are you serious? Like honestly, have you fully spoken and done thorough research on the process that one must go through to obtain a visa and that’s not even counting the possibility of being rejected for lack of oh I don’t know money?! Congratulations, your mother had the possibilities to fund her way through the process, those that decide to come to the US are in search for money! How do you expect them to pay for the paperwork? Plus, I’m pretty sure there’s some bias to the amount of visas given out to specific countries. And they don’t just take a test and become a citizen. After obtaining the visa, one has to apply for their legal residency. The government then proceeds to give you your citizenship if you so desire. Plus it’s been proven that the average American can’t pass that test.

  87. Ryan
    May 25th, 2011 at 15:10 | #87

    You arguments may seem to be the most ethical thing to do but in reality, LIFE is NOT ethical. Because we act they way we do by saying that immigrants should be able to use our school and hospitals, we are digging a whole of debt for ourselves and the immigrants gain no debt because they don’t pay. There will have to be a time in this country when everyone will say “No. will not stop the bleeding unless you get the money.” or “No. we wont educate your kids unless you pay.” Tough treatment is the only way to progress in life. There is no easy way in life.

  88. May 28th, 2011 at 02:23 | #88


  89. An American Citizen
    May 28th, 2011 at 06:36 | #89

    You know there has been many, many people that have come to our country the right way. And those that have come through the proper channels, have after it is all said and done, have been glad they did it the right way. So what if it is hard to become a citizen of the “USA” it should be hard. No one should just be handed anything. If you want to be an “AMERICAN” citizen then you have to work for it and show us that you
    love this country and being here means more to you than anything else in the world, just like all the others before you have done. And those that worked hard to get here appreciate it so much more, then someone who just stole across a boarder somewhere. We have laws for a reason in this country and we should be able to pick and choose who comes here and who doesn’t. We are a country of laws, weather you like it or not. I can understand why people would want to come to the “USA” but there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. If you love this country so much why are you complaining, why not just do it the right way, go back to your home country and come back the right way. Just like thousands of others have done, and are still doing.

  90. Tony Colman
    June 1st, 2011 at 18:46 | #90

    I spent a year working in Reynosa MX as the Engineering Manager for a maquiladora factory.
    Every morning, as I crossed the border into MX, I witnessed all of the mom’s bringing their children across the border to attend the public schools in McCallen & Mission TX. Half of the students in my childrens’ classes fell into this category.
    None of them lived nor paid sales tax in the U.S. but they benefited from our generousity. Many of the classes were only taught in Spanish, so the American children who did not speak Spanish were severely disadvantaged.

  91. Billy Jackson
    June 15th, 2011 at 11:47 | #91

    All we need do is,Dennie them jobs,by removing the buisness lisences,of any employer that hires one.And of cource a stiff fine,and prison with the illegal they hired,in a chain gang building the fence,and cleaning the border they trashed,then make it a crime punishably by death for them to ever return.We require,proof of immigration status to enrole there children in our scools,we require the same,for any assistance period,We dennie them drivers lisences,And make it clear NO AMNESTY OF ANY KIND.We Fix the 14th ammendment,Whe an illegals child has citizenship,remive it and deport all so they can not say we are splitting up familys,We dennie them health care period unless they are able to pay for said care.We set a date for them to be gone say six months from pasage of this legislation,if cout here illegally,they are banned for life for any visa,any form of entry period.and put them in that chain gang building that fence.we secure our borders with military with the power to detain,and fire if nesisary.I personally feel we need to seal up the border stop all immigration untill we get our econamy right and a handle on immigration.we should also prosecute,and seise the property of any landlord renting to an illegal alien.REMOVE THE REASONS FOR COMMING,AND THE MEANS TO STAY.and they will leave on there own.If they put a flag over ours we tear it down,and burn it.period this is the united states of america,we also give our citizens the right to wear there arms wepons in public,so when they protest and revolt,we kill them.that simple.

  92. Catlover
    June 18th, 2011 at 13:46 | #92

    @Billy Jackson My parents were immigrants. They fled in the 1980-1990 period, from a major war in their country, and had my 3 other siblings and I. The things you suggest are horrible torture to an immigrant who just wants protection. And what if they had a lady from the border line of Mexico that got raped and wanted protection from the guy who did it, and she kept coming back? Kill a lady because she wanted asylum? And I know the President would VETO that bill, because the presidents want America to have a good reputation with other countries. Billy Jackson, to wrap this up, let me ask you a question. How do you think Caucasian people or in fact any and every human being in America got to America? Immigration! So you can’t take away opportunity for people who never did anything to you. And immigrants don’t stink up the border, it’s US that do it. America acts horribly, but has great opportunity. DON’T RUIN IT FOR ANY BEING THAT DID NOTHING TO YOU OR YOUR COUNTRY.

  93. Catlover
    June 18th, 2011 at 13:48 | #93

    @Billy Jackson My parents were immigrants. They fled in the 1980-1990 period, from a major war in their country, and had my 3 other siblings and I. The things you suggest are horrible torture to an immigrant who just wants protection. And what if they had a lady from the border line of Mexico that got raped and wanted protection from the guy who did it, and she kept coming back? Kill a lady because she wanted asylum? And I know the President would VETO that bill, because the presidents want America to have a good reputation with other countries. Billy Jackson, to wrap this up, let me ask you a question. How do you think Caucasian people or in fact any and every human being in America got to America? Immigration! So you can’t take away opportunity for people who never did anything to you. And immigrants don’t stink up the border, it’s US that do it. America acts horribly, but has great opportunity. DON’T RUIN IT FOR ANY BEING THAT DID NOTHING TO YOU OR YOUR COUNTRY.

    @Delaware Bob

  94. Sinahi
    June 22nd, 2011 at 13:37 | #94

    @Delaware Bob
    u know what bob????? i think ur racist because what if u were in their postion??? wut u like to be kicked out of the country

  95. An American Citizen
    June 23rd, 2011 at 14:52 | #95

    That is what gets me. People who stole into a country and expect to be treated like an “AMERICAN” citizen. Expect everything to be handed to them, expect to be above the law, expect to be catered too..you should be kissing the ground you stand on, instead of demanding anything. This country has let you in, schooled you and given you jobs and all you can do is thumb your nose at us and burn our precious flag and put your old stinking flag above ours, and you disreguard our laws. Who are you anyway ? You are no better than all those that have waited in line for years to come to this country, who are you to cut in line and think you can come here ahead of them? Yes the citizenship test is hard, as it should be. There were others that have taken it and passed it, they studied and passed it, why can’t you do the same? Not smart enough? Just want a free ride? Want something for nothing? Go back to your home country and stand in line. Just like everyone before you had to do, and all those others that are doing it today. It isn’t about the test being to hard, it is about being to lazy to do it.Some of you have been here for years, you have had plenty of time to study up and ace the test, you just don’t want to do it, you stand there with your hands out, wanting something free, always something free. We have been supporting you, taking care of your kids and sending your kids to school, we have taken care of your kids when they were sick when you take them to our hospitals, and so much more. How much more do you want? I am thinking there is never enough for you, cause all you do is want, want, want. If you don’t like how it is in “AMERICA” why don’t you go back home.

  96. Billy Jackson
    June 24th, 2011 at 17:04 | #96

    The problem with illegal immigration are,Its bankrupting americea period.Ok…We have no moral financhal or legal responsability to Any countrys people,We are not obligated to let you come here,and you aspecialy mexico because you are the ones comming in great numbers.have no rights here that we the US citizen let you have.So We have been nice in the past,let your children attend our scools,helped you when you needed medical care,food ect.So now its expected Like the privilage of having your children become US Citizens when born here,That was not the intent of the 14th amendment and we need to re-write it or just desolve it.to stop the blatant abuse and miss use of that ammendment.We need to Remove all reasons for comming,Educations,jobs,Lisences,Citizenship,welfare,Safe Haven citys,Prosecute all employers that hire you,All Landlords that rent to or sell homes and apartments to you.Actually stick you with the debt of the US citizens Identities you steal,and then put you in a chain gang building that fence.Use our military to seal up the borders,and clean you out of our contry.And we need to make it clear,there will never be another amnesty in america for Illegal aliens nor there children period.Or just start killing you in the streets,no papers you die.

  97. LIa Lee
    July 16th, 2011 at 14:31 | #97

    you are a mean ass piece of shit…you dont understand shit because u think too much on the negative side…life is a very valuable thing..ur living ur life so shut the f up…they have to struggle through out there whole..life..while ur dumbass sits here and blog about some shit thats up ur ass..get a life…

  98. Kay Lee
    July 16th, 2011 at 14:53 | #98

    you mean ass piece of shit….you dont understand shit because u think too much on the negative side….life is a very valuable thing….ur living ur life so shut the fuck up..they have to struggle through out there whole life …while ur dumbass sits here and blog about some shit thats up ur as…get a life….

  99. Martha
    July 16th, 2011 at 18:05 | #99

    I don’t understand why there is such a huge generalization over illegal immigrants free riding on the U.S government funds, many of you write comments as if you knew each and every person entering this country. The reality of the matter is that 54% of immigrants are living in extreme poverty, why? Because all they do in this country is try to survive. Most cross deserts or swim across rivers just to come to a country were they’re despised. As was stated previously,they don’t have the financial means to do everything by the book as you all want them to; they come in search for financial support. Financial support not in the terms that most American people think, they’re the ones you see in the wee hours of the morning making their way to their less than min wage job, they’re the ones you see coming home tired with their heads low after a 13 hour work day. Don’t blame them for the financial crisis occurring in this country, none of us here (excuse me if I’m mistaken) have the drive nor the balls to work so many hours for very little pay. People complain about unemployment rates rising or at least not lowering however, I don’t know about you guys, but wherever I go there’s at least 3-4 “help wanted posters” up. So you see, it isn’t about them “stealing” jobs from Americans, it is, CLEARLY, about Americans refusing to work once they’re receiving unemployment and it’s about Americans looking for someone to blame for the crisis they created. This whole “problem” is about Americans not illegal immigrants.

  100. James McDowell
    July 16th, 2011 at 18:35 | #100

    Every country has a systems of laws, and if people in other country don’t like them donm’t come to this country. When you slip, hide and crawl to this country, you are breaking the law. People in this country will not work for $5.00 an after when the company is suppose to pay 8 or 10, dollars an hour. President Obama does not speak for everyone in this country. If you want to become legal in this country do it the right way. Stop jumping the fence and crawling to this country. The meat package plants in Kansas, hired about 200 illegal to work there. They were being paid $7.00 to $8.00 a hour. When the government raided the plant all 200 were fired and I don’t know if they were deported. But all of the vacancy position are now paying $15.000 an hour since all the illegal were taking jobs that america wanted. President Obama can not save Mexico, Mexico must save themselves. The biggest blame for illegal coming to this country is the American Government. Laws needed to be passed for anyone hiring, providing housing or harboring shiouyld be fine at least $10,000.00. A law need to be passed that having a baby in this country and you are illegal that the baby is not a citizen. This goes on in all the other countries except American. So do the right thing and go back and do it the right way.

  101. Franky
    July 18th, 2011 at 00:59 | #101

    Aren’t all of these laws unconstitutional? Everyone is entitled to life, libery, and the persuit of happiness, are they not?
    If that doesn’t do it for ya’ what about the people who “take advantage of the system” legitimately through welfare and so on and so forth? Illegal immigration is a joke compared to that. And yet…

    Ps. Those who reccomend ridding the country of illegal immigrants…ridiculous. Don’t speak unless you’ve ever been an illegal immigrant yourself, they don’t have it easy at all. Any benefit there is to “getting around the system” is easily overshadowed by the usually poor living conditions, the constant fear of being discovered, etc.

    Pps. It isn’t that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes, it’s that they can’t. Instead of treating illegal immigrants like objects, why not treat them like people and help them build better lives for themseves so that they could contribute more to America?

  102. James McDowell
    July 18th, 2011 at 15:50 | #102

    America can not save the world, that is why every country have there own rules and regulation. We are a nation of laws. When are all illegals are going to understand it. Your country is the way it is because you and your forefather made it that way. Why do you all do like Libya and these other countries, say that enough is enough, but you are too scared to stand up and fight what you want and believe in. You want to run and come t the Unites States, the land of milk and honey. You need to try to build up your own country. All it takes people standing together, all 12 million that are here illegal, go back andwork to change the crooked government and fight what you want, not here in America

  103. August 6th, 2011 at 10:20 | #103

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  104. Aikidoka
    August 18th, 2011 at 03:05 | #104

    @sue le doundrans
    To many of you. I see many of you indignated, and degrading nations just beause of your ignorant, paranoid, and arrogant tone to your speculations. First of all, many of you believe whatever comes in mind. Why now??? Why now blame any immigrant for our faulty economy now, when our economy was in better shape, no one gave an ignorant pile of bull, why? Because you where too busy making money investing in homes with faulty lones and contracting the CHEAPEST contractor in town to built your homes. What? This is not true???? I didn’t see this in the newspaper, TV news, a hand made website, or a book your neighbor decided to write about. I saw this happening EVERY day because I lived trhough it. You guys fill your mouths with arrogance and paranoyance. You guys want to know why our nation is in trouble??? Because of your actions, we gave too much power to big corporations, banks, and wars! How do I know? Look around! It is very odvious, we saw it with our own eyes and you still want to blame somebody else. This is what you guys sound like……”I baugt myself a big boat and a big house even though I’m in debt, if things go wrong Il just blame them Mexicans for it”.
    No one needs to correct me, because this is just stupid and someone needs to shut you guys up, alot of educated Americans are tired of this bull. Just tell our nation….. Where do each of you get your facts from? A website? Newspaper? A book? Oh I know… maybe from your grandfather and so on. Yes, I know there are alot of illegal immigrants who take advantage of our Health Care, and School resources and other things also, tell me something we don’t know like….. WHere did you get your money from? Who built your home? If you hate Mexicans so much, why do you eat burritos and tacos? don’t believe me, look at a video on you tube, a Minutemen was caught eating at Pollo Loco, right on video! Why is Social Security Offices filled with Sec 8 people? How do I know??? Maybe because I see them there every day complaining and faking pain. What are you guys “fighting” for? “Oh, you have to stand up and fight for your country”, is this so? Than…. do you have all the money to deport millions of illegal immigrants? Do you know where all of them are? If so, do something about it, Il just tell you right now, if you decide to call immigration on me, Il sue your ass really hard because I’m a natural born Citizen with brownish skin color. Where do you guys get YOUR numbers from? Who says you are right? Everything I know is because live through it and have PHYSICAL proofs, pictures, videos, and evidence that many of you don’t have. OK it’s not OK to have all students learn Spanish……. and, is that it? Make Illegal immigrants pay taxes……. Ok, don’t we all pay taxes when we go to the store? Oh.. More taxes, thats what you mean. Ok, make them pay more taxes…. Then what? Thats all your problems? Jesus, no wonder all of you are so freaken paranoid, just look… Where was our “security” when our Trade Center Towers where attacked? Where YOU protecting them? No, why did all those people died? And what nationality where the terrosrists from? Odviously NOT Mexican, or Cuban, or Central American! Ok…. Mexicans are noisy and drunks according to many of you. Is that it? What about black people in a fast food line? You can’t shut them up can you? What about Red Necks? Those guys are really loud, and drunk!

  105. James McDowell
    August 18th, 2011 at 10:37 | #105

    To all my friends illegals, liberals, or those that are in favor of allowing 12 million illegals stay in this country. Peoples today make statments from the heart, and ignore common sense. Some on welfare, medicaid, food stamps that have been given these things all their lives feel that the government suppose to take care of them because they are poor. These programs should be only temporary and not forever. Some of the poor don’t want too move up in life, they are happy doing what they do everyday. That is allowing the government to tke of them. We as american tax payers, we are just like most democrcts, enabling jthe poor to continue be poor and asked for hand out. If congress really wanted the poor to do better, they would limited welfare, and all other social program. Everybody on welfare, food stamps etc. should be on a work program. They should be earning those food stamps and welfare money. Day care should be provided for them and transportation to their work msite or schools. I hear too much about children goiung hungry and no food in the home. 99% of thildren parents received food stamps, most of the stamps are sold for drugs or alcohol. This country need to change the policy, if you are born here you are a american citizen. This is the only country that does that. This is the land of milk and honey. If we remove the born here citizenship, fine anyone who hires,transport or give resident to illegal. This would stop illegsl immigration. This is American, we are a nations of laws. The president jobs is too uphold the law and the constitution. He he doing this????

  106. JoSe
    September 26th, 2011 at 16:28 | #106

    Sad, but some Americans can’t even spell and then they are trying to get rid of some illegals that do know how to spell.

  107. Basel
    October 3rd, 2011 at 11:46 | #107

    Okay just because your country sucks doesn’t just give you the right to Illegally cross the border and take advantage of our education, health care, jobs, and much more. I think it’s funny you’re calling U.S. citizens lazy but in fact it is you the illegal immigrants that are the lazy ones. Usually, when there is little stability in a country or when a country’s government isn’t doing its job then the citizens of that country rebel. So my question to the illegals is this.. Why not come together and better your country instead of coming to America. Because, where are you going to “escape” to after America fails? Canada? Give me a break… Just try to fix your own country instead of feeding off ours please.

  108. america
    October 17th, 2011 at 08:36 | #108

    this is america, we speak american.

  109. Loquana QuiQui
    October 17th, 2011 at 08:40 | #109


  110. america
    October 17th, 2011 at 08:44 | #110

    leave my country you god damn mcdonalds worker, welfare dependant crackbaby.

  111. Loquana QuiQui
    October 17th, 2011 at 08:46 | #111


  112. I speak american
    October 17th, 2011 at 09:24 | #112

    Don’t be rude, he/she may not be a crack baby! But I agree, they should only be able to work at mcdonalds

  113. america
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:12 | #113

    your argument is valid, a minumun degrading job is the right course of life for these niggers

  114. Loquana QuiQui
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:15 | #114


  115. I speak american
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:18 | #115

    stop being racist. it is insensative to speak in that manor on a public website. and the funny thing is, you are probably illegal

  116. america
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:22 | #116


  117. Loquana QuiQui
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:23 | #117


  118. Tyrese Johnson
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:26 | #118

    there’s nothing wrong with fried chicken…

  119. america
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:26 | #119


  120. i speak american
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:33 | #120

    I agree with my “homie” Tyrese! There is nothing wrong with some damn good fried chicken..but honestly, could you get me some kool-aid to go with it? Preferably some purple drank..

  121. Tyrese Johnson
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:34 | #121

    only if you bring the watermelon.

  122. Martha
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:35 | #122

    You know the funny thing? We pretty much all came in a boat. You can call yourself American all you want but sometime in your past, your family came to America on a boat. And honestly, this is no place for racism. I suggest you take your comments elsewhere.

  123. i speak american
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:37 | #123

    i love you Martha

  124. Tyrese Johnson
    October 18th, 2011 at 08:40 | #124

    i love ya ass martha.

  125. Loquana QuiQui
  126. JoSe
    October 18th, 2011 at 12:45 | #126

    Americans do have the right to be mad because should we end up in Mexico and I hope never then we would be treated the same as the illegals are treated there too.

  127. JoSe
    October 18th, 2011 at 12:49 | #127

    So, now they are being told they have to recitr the Mexican Pledge in Spanish. A native of Mexico is the teacher, so no wonder it’s being forced on American citizen children.

  128. JoSe
    October 18th, 2011 at 12:49 | #128

    So, now they are being told they have to recite the Mexican Pledge in Spanish. A native of Mexico is the teacher, so no wonder it’s being forced on American citizen children.

  129. JoSe
    October 18th, 2011 at 12:54 | #129

    And you need to go back to school and learn the correct grammar to use.

  130. Martha
    October 18th, 2011 at 17:31 | #130

    Don’t you think Americans should be at least a little fluent in Spanish? American companies are taking their factories outside of the United States in order to cut costs. Here’s a possibility, let’s say you are able to kick out all illegal immigrants now you would think that the big companies would start hiring American citizens, right? I don’t think that will happen at all. You see business men and women are very intelligent in cutting costs and increasing profit, correct? CEO’s are hired because of their ability to bring in profit and to get the brand name out there and what not. Now, clearly since they’ll be forced to pay an actual decent wage in the United States don’t you think they’ll take their factories elsewhere. Factories will be built in underdeveloped countries because of the cheap labor. So now what is the United States left with? No jobs and, now, the government wouldn’t even be able to charge the sales tax on the purchases made by those illegal immigrants because they’re no longer in the country OR they’re simply out of the job. Obviously, this is an exaggeration but like most people say, “shit happens.” If this happened, the economy would crash much further and in turn, creating a much bigger problem.

  131. Loquana QuiQui
  132. To taxation without representation
    October 18th, 2011 at 23:21 | #132

    Yes you are exactly what the US needs. An educated immigrant that will of course contribute to making this country great…thanks for coming here, and the more like you that arrive here any which way you please, while we just look the other way, the better the US will be in the years to come, yay…can’t wait to see what happens to this country when there’s no one left but people like you@Loquana QuiQui

  133. No taxation without representation
    October 19th, 2011 at 00:25 | #133

    Back then it was about space…this country became great because of the combined efforts of many nationalities. Now it is in disproportion and unbalanced. The hundreds of years it took to get to where the US is now took all immigrants contributing. They came here and became Americans. The modern day Latino is much different than in the past. The opportunities that were created by the immigrants of the world are now being taken for granted. I live in a mostly, correction, all spanish speaking neighborhood. It is not right that I cannot communicate with my neighbors. It is not right that I should be forced to learn Spanish. I am currently disabled, and pay my own health insurance. I am on no government programs at all. Yet when I shop at Walmart, I am the ONLY one paying for my groceries. As I stand in the overcrowded lines, I use what was supposed to go to my retirement and savings from years of hard work to buy groceries. The customers in front of me are overweight and cannot speak English. One after another pulls out their EBT card. The 200 lb or so woman 2 customers in front of me starts yelling in Spanish at the clerk. She is upset because her $150 food bill is $6. She got some specialty cupcakes from the bakery and she is mad that she has to pay anything at all. The lady in front of me yells at her in Spanish. She finally opens her wallet and magically has a stack of 20 dollar bills. The lady in front of me is up next. She to takes out her EBT card and gets her $60 in groceries for free. Now I am up. I am in a sling. I have had 4 surgeries this year. I am struggling to pay the out of pocket portion of my surgeries which to date are at about 20,000$. My groceries total just over 90$. For some reason, I pay with actual money. The clerk explains to me what an EBT card is. She says ‘gracious’ as she gives me my change. On my way home I have to get a prescription at CVS. All of the signs at the pharmacy are in Spanish. The pickup counter is in Spanish, then English. Again I am the ONLY one paying for my medicine. I am confused. I have worked all my life, paid taxes, I have no kids. I was born here. My next door neighbor is on section 8. There are 3 children, he and his wife. The wife speaks no English, and only one child does. They are the sweetest kids. They don’t know what is going on. Neither do I. But it is impossible for this scenario to sustain in this way. In nature when there is an unbalance, the consequences are never good. An unnatural influx of people to one country, city, or neighborhood, is not right. My savings are running out, and I am not able to work. I did not qualify for assistance when I had my first surgery. So I am on my own. Why is a natural born citizen with no kids paying for his neighbors whom he cannot even converse with? This scenario used to be the exception, so it went overlooked. As time went on, it kept going overlooked. Now it is no longer the exception, it is the rule. My illegal immigrant former barber broke it all down. How they teach classes about how to manipulate American laws. How to use relatives names and get fake Ids. I was dating a cute Latina. I didn’t think twice, she was cute, and we clicked. It didn’t work out in the long run. But along the way I met her mom. She has been in the country for 25 years. She has an apt she pays 200$ a month for. The govt pays the rest. She also has a second apt that was once occupied by my ex girlfriends aunt. She passed away years ago, but no one said anything. So now my ex gf lives there and pays 125$ a month, with the govt covering the rest. She makes 40000$ a year, and her cousins live there and pay her rent. My ex gfs mom is on welfare, medicaid, and section 8. Yet she runs an illegal daycare out of her govt assisted apt. She pays no taxes on the income, and sends a lot of $ to the Dominican republic. The rest she uses to gamble on the weekends. The few times I met my ex gfs mother, she could not form one sentence in English. After 25 years, and all the help from this country, she never bothered to even learn the language. She told my ex that I should learn Spanish. Yes everyone knows this country was founded by immigrants. Most nations were. Back then it was about space, exploration. Now it is about benefits. Yes it makes sense to seek a better life, who wouldn’t? But if it involves irresponsibly disrespecting the society that created that life, it is unacceptable. If it involves having more kids than you can afford, it is a shame. My ex barber told me how his ex kept having children because she got more benefits for each child. Creating a human being for 1000$ a year is insanity. In any event, 2 wrongs never make it right. If you are struggling, I’m sorry. But now it has become an epidemic that his country simply cannot afford. I for one, being disabled, am still paying for my neighbors and their children, when I have none of my own. There is a lot of talk about illegal immigration. But until you live where I do, you will never see the effects. And if you are an American and this type of scenario has not reached your area yet. Rest assured, it will soon enough. And if everyone is taking, and no one is left to give, then what? Do we all go to the next country that has it together (if there are any left). The economy unfortunately is collapsing hand in hand with the population increase. And right now 1 in 4 children is Hispanic. Other Hispanics have even told me they are sick of the way their friends and relatives haphazardly have kids while the rest of the world realizes there is a crisis. Anyone that does this has no regard for the consequences. They could care less about burdening the rest of the world with their irresponsibility. This is reality. This is my everyday. I have worked all my life. At the moment I can’t. All the signs in my neighborhood I can’t understand. I was born and raised here but I am a foreigner in my own country. Everyone should have somewhere to call home. If my ex gfs mother went home to DR and all of a sudden it was all in let’s say Japanese. The signs, the language, the people…? Listen it’s not about race, it’s about what’s right. If I am hungry and break into a store and steal a loaf of bread, I get arrested. Sure, people will sympathize with me, even understand why I did it. But that doesn’t make me right, and that doesn’t make me not get charged with a crime. One last thing… This country is in so much debt…I wonder what Walmart’s check is from the government every month? And that’s just one store in one town…God help us…


  134. Martha
    October 19th, 2011 at 07:38 | #134

    @No taxation without representation

    I definitely know it’s not about race and, unfortunately, I know way too many people that do the same thing. And it angers me and my family. We work hard to earn what we have and when we apply for insurance it’s incredible how little our paychecks have to reflect in order for us to be granted insurance. Personally, and I know I’m going to step on a lot of toes here, I can’t stand the thought of these women having so many children just to get help from the government and it pisses me off that they can’t get off their asses and go find a job to offer their children a decent lifestyle. I completely understand your point of view when it comes to that. Clearly these families have forgotten the original reasons that they came here which was seeking the American Dream. Nevertheless, for those same people taking advantage of the system, there are plenty others who work 12-15hour days to make ends meet; who, one day, came seeking the American Dream but were thrown into the Latino Nightmare.
    I say, rather than kicking them all out we seek for a solution. I’m pro-amnesty because I know those hardworking immigrants (obviously not all of them) and I know those families that sleep all day. If they all become citizens, they would be regular Americans. The hardworking ones will be able to buy houses and make their dreams come true. And the lazy ones will, most likely, be kicked out of the government programs and forced to get jobs. I’m very idealistic but in the reality that we live in today, I think we should all be just a little idealistic.

  135. JoSe
    October 19th, 2011 at 13:27 | #135

    Are you educated?

  136. JoSe
    October 19th, 2011 at 13:39 | #136

    I have many friends that aren’t illegals and I want it to stay that way. I don’t want to learn Spanish because my neighbor doen’t know the English languaue, so we never have had a conversation in years. It doesn’t bother me at all because I heard once you open the door to them they never want to leave. My name isn’t really JoSe.

  137. JoSe
    October 19th, 2011 at 13:40 | #137

    JoSe :I have many friends that aren’t illegals and I want it to stay that way. I don’t want to learn Spanish because my neighbor does not know the English languaue, so we never have had a conversation in years. It doesn’t bother me at all because I heard once you open the door to them they never want to leave. My name isn’t really JoSe.

  138. Martha
    October 20th, 2011 at 06:12 | #138

    I’m in my third year of college so yes.
    You shouldn’t learn Spanish for your neighbor, you should learn the language for yourself. Immigrants or not, there is an ever expanding global market that calls for learning a different language. .

  139. A American Thinker in High School
    November 6th, 2011 at 22:12 | #139

    You have to admit, it’s not like illegal immigrants are taking major jobs. Most of them have jobs such as picking grapes outside in the hot sun for many hours of the day for under minimum wage. Most take the jobs most Americans do not want to have because of the amount of money you get for the job and/or the fact of manual labor. Kinda think about that when you say they are taking our jobs because to be honest, it’s mostly jobs other Americans do not want to have

  140. A American Thinker in High School
    November 6th, 2011 at 22:16 | #140

    *sigh* And honestly, I think the racist comments are quite unnessisary, have some of us sunk so low enough to actually say those kinds of things?

  141. Mosorto
    November 28th, 2011 at 09:35 | #141

    im sorry but i dont agree on aeverything you say..you do not know what you are talking about..when ever your family is on that situatin and you are legal and your family or parents or children are no.. and you see them working their buts for a beter futer..and you see those Hispanics kids that come here from an early age and they grow upt here and raise are anc act just like an american kid..its sad and it hurts to see family pulled aparts…but its easy to open your mouth and say lets deport them all..but what about all does kids that come here and work hard in school and work…and what about all does familes that been here for a long time..all their lives are here…

  142. November 29th, 2011 at 10:16 | #142

    i dont knwo

  143. illegal immigrant
    December 1st, 2011 at 16:52 | #143

    Illegal Immigrants are not slime. And since you want to go there you might as well call yourself slime because unless you are a native american you are an immigrant as well. It amazes me how ignorant “americans” are. Immigrants are human too. Instead of kicking them out why dont you find a compromise with them. Think of how beneficial it would be to charge them taxes in exchange of permanent recidency. Stop talking bad about them because it just makes you Americans look bad. =) love and peace and cream cheese.
    @Delaware Bob

  144. illegal immigrant
    December 1st, 2011 at 16:59 | #144

    you are just a racist peace of shit. FYI mother fucker your ancestros came from a foreing country because i doubt you are native american. Those are the real americans. @america

  145. December 1st, 2011 at 23:24 | #145

    I am impressed,hat’s of to you,,,

  146. excuse me
    December 2nd, 2011 at 14:51 | #146

    Um…Excuse me…
    Podrian hablar en español porque no les entiendo nada de lo que estan hablando.
    Mi no pikinglish.
    No manches todos los que se la pasan aqui les estan poniendo mucho tiempo a una cosa que no vale la pena. Yo solo estoy en este sitio por un proyecto de la escuela y me puse a leer todos los comentarios.
    La mayoria de la gente que esta escribiendo cosas malas sobre los inmigrates es gente que en primera son ignorantes y en segunda no tienen bien desarolladas sus neuronas de pensamiento.
    Me da risa de tantas cosas que dicen que segun este es su pais y no se que. Pero apoco ellos en verdad lo tratan como SU pais?
    Pues yo no se porque quien tiene la autotidad de juzgar o criticar a los demas, si pueden tener su opinion y todo pero el unico que puede juzgar todo lo que quiera y a quien quiera es DIOS…

  147. Nancy Voskuil
    December 7th, 2011 at 18:04 | #147

    Unfortunately idiotic people like you don’t realize that illegal immigrants do pay taxes.

  148. Dillon
    December 13th, 2011 at 16:31 | #148

    your lazy use reall words unlike u and shit like that

  149. Jose
    December 14th, 2011 at 14:20 | #149

    F y’all dumbass rednecks..y’all dont know shit

  150. Justice
    December 20th, 2011 at 21:48 | #150

    Illegal immigration is draining all the state’s resources. If you live in a border city like I do you see all the resources going towards the illegals. Schools in border towns are being bombarded with kids coming from Mexico. We are educating Mexico’s kids. Just go to any school in any border town and see all the license plates from Mexico. Mexican parents are bringing their kids to our public schools yet they dont pay property taxes. The middle class in our country is shrinking away. . It’s time to change these laws. No more assistance to illegal students or to anchor kids. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.!!!!

  151. bob
    February 1st, 2012 at 10:12 | #151

    i find this hard to masturebate

  152. daniel
    February 1st, 2012 at 10:38 | #152

    hi i love chocolate

  153. American
    February 10th, 2012 at 10:14 | #153

    not all immigrants come here just for drugs, killing, or to be gang realted they all came for a reason to make a better life for there famliy and themselfs…immigrants have to work hard everyday just to put food on the table for their family they work harder than any of us…some live in run down house and welfare and still want to get good education..i’m hust a highschool student who was working on a essay and i found this website..

  154. Jaci
    February 23rd, 2012 at 21:16 | #154

    I have a difficult time accepting Illegal Immigrants. My brother Greg was killed by a drunk Illegal on his 4 DUI. No insurance, truck not regestered correctly never showed up for court dates. Yet our justice system never put him back in jail. He was to be deported back to Mexico but ICE let him out to return for a court date to be deported and what do you know he never showed up year later he killed my brother. He is currently in jail but only because my family has made sure he is not let out. If this was a legal citizen they would have been in jail a long time ago and had to pay fines etc. This guy was let out on his own recog why???

  155. Jacob
    March 6th, 2012 at 14:24 | #155

    Immigrants are not good people and could wreck the future for us all. They sometimes smuggle things in that us illegal. There are also illegal immigrants who come to different countries and stay there for too long.

  156. March 6th, 2012 at 18:10 | #156

    I understand why the illegal run to the United States. I understnd, better jobs, and a better life. What would happen to this country if all other countrys fled to America. There is no way that we can tke care of the entire world for better jobs and a better life. It is impossible. To stop illegal imigration is to stop renting to them. Stop providing any type of work to them. A 10,000.00 fine for anyone that hires them, private individuals or companies. And the No.1 thing, is too pass a law that if they have children in the U.S. States, they are not citizen. Then they will stop coming and stop milking the welfare and food stamps programs. And it will stop providing everything in English and Spanish. Most are Catholic, nd they believe in lhaving all the babys they can, just to anchor themselves here in America. This the only way to really stop illegal immigration. If this don’t happen, they will continue to come. This is the only country you can have a baby and it becomes a citizen.

  157. Cheley
    March 8th, 2012 at 11:07 | #157

    Heres the thing, if an illegal alien comes into a hospital for treatment - deport them. If an arrest is made for an illegal alien - deport them. This is not rocket science. This is economics.

    Quit contributing to the problem and deport all illegals.

  158. Nirobi
    March 26th, 2012 at 21:33 | #158

    There is no doubt you all no nothing about the government and how things really work. There is no doubt you all are just angry at how well they are doing here in America compared to most of you. There is no doubt they will take over. There is no doubt that you have you all know nothing about them. There is no doubt that you are all small minded white trash and should really catch up on history (see there I judged you just like you judged them) with out even knowing you. However there is no doubt that while you sit here reading the article and comment on how they should be deported they are still plenty more coming in and taking over “YOUR” jobs, neighborhoods, schools, stores, and COUNTRY. Open your eyes there is no doubt that you can’t do anything about it now or ever that is why you sit there and do things like this. @Delaware Bob

  159. Nirobi
    March 26th, 2012 at 21:35 | #159

    fucking racist… I am pretty sure that you have no money…. fucking haters

  160. Nirobi
    March 26th, 2012 at 21:36 | #160

    Nirobi :
    fucking racist… I am pretty sure that you have no money…. fucking haters

  161. Don Jose
    March 26th, 2012 at 22:20 | #161

    Illegals ( from Mexico ) are here because this was their land, so they have the right to be here, but at least they work and those of you that call yourself Americans only take from us the tax payers. I am an American and have worked since the age of fourteen, and our family never took any help from the tax payers because the Government takes from the hard working people to give to lazy breeders in this country that breed, but never provide for their mistakes.

  162. Don Jose
    March 26th, 2012 at 22:25 | #162

    Those that use foul language are uneducated people and should be banned from ever posting here. Get a job and learn how to spell even, if you only learn three letter words. I skip any comment that I notice has foul language and believe me there are many here right now.

  163. March 27th, 2012 at 13:53 | #163

    Whoa dude I dont see any racism in this so chill out

  164. March 27th, 2012 at 14:21 | #164

    Well all of the illegals that are here in this country. Your day is coming. After the Obama care is defeated. The next Supreme Court issues will be if states can enforce immigration laws. The courts will rule with the law that is already on the books. Then we will see what happens to all the illegal that are here. milking the system. Have you ever watched Border Wars on TV. They all stted that they come here for jobs and too work.. They don’t tell you about, come over and have as many children as you want to get the benefits of milk and honey. Welfare for having children, foodstamps for having children, free medical for having children. This is cslled anchor babies. American wake up, illegal immigration is destroying social security and welfare.

  165. sasha
    April 12th, 2012 at 18:16 | #165

    I’m doing my research paper on this topic and the finding are crazy. There are many issues with illegal immigration,but they do benfit us in some ways. My parents immigrated to this country and it’s not fair how illegal immigrants can hop a fence, while other immigrants pretty much have to be on a waiting list because there’s no room here. The illegals who are committing minor crimes should be deported and the ones who are resposible for serious crimes such as drug trafficing and murder should be sent to prison and records should be held of their legality. Most people immigrate here for one reason: to start a better life for themselves and their family. If illegal immigrants aren’t causing problems, then they should be given citizenship to stay.

  166. Mike
    April 12th, 2012 at 21:29 | #166

    Well I have an illegal friend he is awesome and from Mexico. And 2 days ago I told him why did he come here to break the law. He said “I never came here to break a law, I came here to have a great and safe life,”.I told him so that is why you guys are crossing the border? He said, “we are not trying to break any laws, some do because they are here to make money by selling drugs.” I started to get worried but how are you safe. He said, “I’m not safe yet im poor and live with my aunt wich is really nice but she needs a work cuz her husband works really hard”. So why are you mainly here. He said, “because i want to have education and have a good job to have a good life and a family, but people tell me tht I should go back and stay there” he sighed, “My parents died in Mexico because the cartel wanted money from them but they never had nothing.”

  167. cindy
    April 12th, 2012 at 23:46 | #167

    I’m doing a project on immigration and reading this website makes me see that many people aren’t inform on this “Problem” first off for the people that think that wee should all just come here legally isn’t that easy like many people say not only does it take money that many people don’t have but many people are denied. and what most people don’t think about is that do you think that they want to come here, that they want to cross a desert, Mt., rivers and many other thing and then to have some people die on the way by thirst or by the heat or cold. Then when they get here is treated like animals. My mom n dad who both come from MX do not like being here but they are here because of us, their family. They wanted better for my sisters and me, they did not want us to suffer they did when they were growing up. And so they both work low paying jobs to support us. Which mean we do not get to see them that often and that is the case for many people in the same problem? An other thing people seem to forget it that thy are KIDS involve too. Kids that if there perants are taken away will end up in foster care. Like my parents, the main reason why they come is for their family and to give thing they never had like a good education, a good job, and just a better life. yes its true that many immigrates come here but end up in trouble by selling drugs but come on many of them do it they support there families and they cant get a job because there not legal. Sadly, this is what happens in many cases. I myself think we should just grow up and see that not everything is about us or money that is the whole reason people think immigrates are a problem.(sorry about speeling)

  168. April 13th, 2012 at 00:31 | #168

    Cindy, that is good that you is doing a project of immigrations. But be for real. There are laws that everyone suppose to to guide by. Illegal coming to this country is breaking the law, if you cone from China, Mexico are any other country. This country can not support the whole world. You are very fortunate to be here. This is the only country that an illegal person can have a children ;and they become american citizen. Your parents broke the law. I know children are involved. But at the time your parents came over they didn’t care. So when the government change the law, those that come illegals will go back with their prents. The next issues they supreme court will take up is can states enforcement immigration law. Then this matter will be put to rest. Illegals are costing this country millions of dollars. Parents can’t speak english, so the children can’t speak english. Schools hsve to hired spanish speaking teachers too teach childrens born to illegals. Their children born here in america, they are now qualified for health care, food stamps and many other programs. If you watch the shows Border Wars, they all say the same things, better jobs and a better life. America can’t keep on taking care of the illegals. Like I said in my previous article. If we stop renting, stop giving jobs, asnd pass a law that if you are born here in this country, you sre not a citizen, then they will go back to their country on their own. Cindy I feel your pain. Cindy I am not talking about immigrates, I am talking about illegal immigrates. They might cross the desert in the hot and cold for better paying jobs. Mexican people need to protest in Nexico for better paying jobs and not come to this country, thinking that they had rights. Let see what happen in June 2012, when sttes have the authority to enforced illegal immigration. If their is unfair treatment blame your parents who willing broke the law and they are still coming by the hundreds. So one need to go bsck to Mexico, and jprotest against the Mexico government for a better life. Cindy my blessing are with you.

  169. April 16th, 2012 at 16:29 | #169

    okay, i understand both side of the picture here, but if u guys sit back. read everything that’s being posted on here, you guys are attacking each other and that’s exactly what the Government wants us people to do. they don’t have control over us, but they mess with our beliefs and our thoughts . They love to feed us BS, and while they are stronger and the rich get richer. the middle class people or poor people keep on hating each other. it’s all b/c we listed to everything that the government tells us. they listen to the rich, like people that owe big powerful corporations here in america. Those people think of bills that will benefit them, and not we the people. Once those bills are passed they turn into laws. they started to effect everyone that lives here in the United States and other countries. This goes for you real U.S. Citizens how do u feel about your government. They want you to fight against immigrants and illegal immigrants, and keep you busy. They sit back and relax and let you do all the hating. This goes for the immigrants and for the illegal immigrants, you have the power to become better, and educate yourself. Don’t let no one tell you can’t make it. Education wont make you rich, but it will sure bring knowledge and make you someone productive in life. it’s the government needs to improve their methods for illegal immigration, b/c all they do is hurt innocent families. to be human means to love others.

  170. kim
    April 24th, 2012 at 09:06 | #170

    @Regie wayens
    I think that you go to calling people racist because you are not educated on the effects that illegal immigration causes on our economy and our states closer to the boarder. not only are the majority of drugs brought into the states are from illegal immigrants out economy can no longer fund people who will not give back. I dont care if the immigrants coming into the countries are black white purple or blue the fact is that we are a country built off of immigration and we should all take pride in that just as long as it is done legally. The bottom line is the key word in this is illegal not immigrants the law is the law.

  171. Heath
    April 26th, 2012 at 02:24 | #171

    where did you get that list of countries that cannot apply for green cards.

  172. guilherme
    April 26th, 2012 at 12:28 | #172

    @Heath no idea as I’m from Brazil and I came in 1999 and (legally) and we were allowed to apply no problem.
    what were some of the requirements for me to come (as my mother was American citizen living in Brazil all her life)
    1) Her (my mother/American)
    2) Proof of a home to stay
    3) proof of Money invested in the US (very strange as how can you say u invested in the US, if you are trying to go live there) but my grandfather helped. (i think it had to be a minimum of US$250,000 in investments in the US
    4) Why we wanted to go, what reasons
    5) what we planed on doing with our lives in US, and to help the community
    6)Clean Brazilian and US criminal record
    7) Vaccinated (many of them)

    I think this is all I can remember, and finally a Interview with the ambassador in Brazil… if he didn’t like you you don’t get in, simple as that.

    We actually had to come back 4 times (usually 1 interview would be sufficient) and talk to the Ambassador to grant my Citizenship.

    P.S. to all the angry comments against illegal immigrants, go back to school study some history, learn some geography and world history, learn some politics. Then come out of “Mount Stupid” make a comment here.

  173. guilherme
    April 26th, 2012 at 13:00 | #173

    P.S. this post is 4 years old interesting people are still battling out…

  174. April 26th, 2012 at 16:14 | #174

    Guilherme I understand your frustration. But the law is the law.. Laws were not make to be broken. But all of this will be over soon. The supreme court is deciding the faith of person that are here in this country illegal. What I have heard and read in the newspaper, its looks like every state in the union wilol be able to enforced immigration law.

    Some are already leaving, others are trying tom get pregnant quick as to anchor themselves in this country. n The first things theyn say is that it will break up families. If you feel that way don’t having a baby in this country where the laws don’t want you here. So you know the consequences. So why should I feel sorry for you. Every body woulod like to come tom America, this country can not provide welfare for the world. Have a baby here in America, Parents don’t speak no english, no problems, we will give you food stamps, housing, money and allow you too live in lthis country, and let us not forget free medical care. When this government jpass a law, if youn have a child in lthis country, they are not citizens, then many more will return to Mexico, and jother countries. “Just waiting for July 1, 2012 when the supreme court made it ruling of illegal immigration ( If states can enforced the law) Then all of this comments will be over. Illegals started packing your bags.

  175. Jason
    April 29th, 2012 at 16:12 | #175

    Undocumented immigrants do pay taxes and if anything the pay more than most citizens and contribute more to the tax system:



  176. Heath
    April 29th, 2012 at 16:36 | #176

    Ill probably get slammed for saying this… but I have no problem if the US provides social services to people that migrate here.. but I do think that a child that’s a US citizen should receive 1st.
    Immigrants can bitch & moan all they want.. you don’t like the way things are run.. VOTE on it like everyone else does.
    Oh Wait. You have to be a citizen to do that.

  177. April 30th, 2012 at 06:39 | #177

    Heath, I don’t have a problem either if people migrate here in the United States, but do it the legal way. We are not talking about immigrants, we are talking about people who come here illegal. People need to stop getting immigrants mixing up with illegal immigrants. If you want to pay for social services for illegals, go ahead be myn guest. Pay it out of yourm own pocket. Thank You. Not with tax payer money.

  178. Socorro Corral
    May 8th, 2012 at 04:03 | #178

    @Delaware Bob
    Oh, and do tell me, who will do the work that you Americans consider too “low” in standards to do, and that is left to illegal immigrants to perform?
    The illegal carries the weight that the American is too proud to carry.
    And just to burst you out of your bubble, if ALL the illegal immigrants were to “go back to their own place” America would be in BIG trouble.
    With that said, I’m done. Educate yourself.

  179. Socorro Corral
    May 8th, 2012 at 04:11 | #179

    Now back to the article, what you are basically stating as a solution is that illegal immigrants need to pay taxes like any other citizen does, which is not true; just look at the rich people here, even though they have none of the benefits citizens have.
    I was brought here as an illegal immigrant as a child, I have worked my way through college and just started practicing as a pharmacist. I am of course now legal and contribute as much to society as any other hard-working citizen does. And there are many other like I, who are good people ready to help this economy, but who are not given the chance to. What we need is a reform. How are you going to tell millions of people that were brought here as kids that they need to go back to a country which they don’t even know?
    In my point of view, anybody that is willing to help this country should be allowed full right.
    Of course considering this, the influx of illegal immigrants also needs to be stopped.
    This problem won’t be solved until America as a whole can understand the struggle illegal immigrants go through and how they benefit this country.

  180. May 11th, 2012 at 22:44 | #180

    Steps to fixing immigration:
    Step1: Close the boarder: Moniter the border seriously to stop the flow of undocumented workers from growing. It creates jobs and makes it easier to deal with who we have now.
    Step2: Create a new department dedicated to naturalize illegals in the country. Offer amnesty as long as you have a job or are looking for one. Also you need to be a law abiding citizen. Minuter each person for about a year. Give them full rights including obligation to pay taxes.
    Step3: Create a work program that offers jobs to illegals and the poor. They will fix national infrastructure work on agriculture and preservation. Will better the standard of living for everyone and spread money through the economy.
    Step4: Revamp taxes by either making sure former illegals pay taxes or by spreading the sales tax. Also over time slowly rid us of the debt we would have accumulated. Economy is to fragile to do it before hand.
    Step5: Reopen borders with easier more reality based standards.

    And done! Takes approx 5-10 years, but fixes u.s. problems.

  181. Jason
    May 12th, 2012 at 04:00 | #181

    The number of immigrants coming to this country has been going down for the last few years and the number of immigrants leaving this country has been going up. So in reality we do not have to do much. As we keep destroying our economy and other economies from other countries get stronger we will see these number increase even more.

    So instead of spending more money we do not have on things that are fixing themselves. Why not focus our energy and time on things that are really destroying our nation, like our rising and out of hand debt. More nations throughout history have been destroyed because of debt than by foreign invaders.

    Instead of just passing our debt problem to our children, why do we not just fix it now and cut over spending.

  182. Heath
    May 13th, 2012 at 16:37 | #182

    @James McDowell
    calm down.. I agree with you I just left out the work “Illegal” immigrants

  183. Heath
    May 13th, 2012 at 16:37 | #183

    @James McDowell
    rephrase….”Illegal” immigrants

  184. Heath
    May 13th, 2012 at 16:38 | #184

    rephrase….”Illegal” immigrants

  185. May 13th, 2012 at 18:48 | #185

    I do not believe illegal immigration is right. I understand your problems are tough. Life’s tough. But I think its to late to do something about it. Right now we have approx 10 million illegals in our country. We are in too deep. We cant just get rid of 10 mil. People. We don’t have the manpower. We need to fix a system in so we can weed out the ones that will help us: the ones who represent what so many of are ancestors did before us.

  186. Patrick Henry
    May 13th, 2012 at 22:36 | #186

    @sue le doundrans
    Maybe their country wouldn’t be so bad if the pharmaceuticals didn’t try to control the drug trade through the government, spawning the cartels. What do you expect a mexican citizen to do against their government and forces like carlos slim? It doesn’t just take passing a test that most americans would fail, it can take 1-2 decades to get here legally. Compare to the time “safe investments” would get here… 1-2 years if you are from a developed country. We are becoming a police state with two political parties, who cause unintended consequences through their poor decision making, and then use their social intelligence, the only thing many of them have, to turn the country to fighting eachother and blaming everyone but them. Maybe we need to fix our government problems, such as cooking voting districts to get elected and such, before we criticize anyone else. The more we buy into and perpetuate the excuses made by those in power, the more assured our economic and sociological death will occur in the future.

  187. mango
    May 14th, 2012 at 12:50 | #187

    @Delaware Bob
    gtfo you are a alien !

  188. May 14th, 2012 at 17:16 | #188

    Anger like that won’t accomplish anything. We need to work together for a solution. Organization and cooperation=power.

  189. dyllan vanwicklin
    May 25th, 2012 at 12:41 | #189

    them stupid ass illegals need to get the fuck out of the u.s. they are not doing any good for us the only thing they are doing is putting this country in the shitter and fucking the world up for us americans who live here legally.

  190. perkins
    June 25th, 2012 at 00:16 | #190

    Please people dont make thing worst than they alrenady are they will send 15 millions back home then the rich men will follow them home with their company where they w ill pay them $8 a day the rich is n ot gonnna pay an American 30$ an hour for manual labor then you people will pay 25$ for a hamburger the men will be richer while the illegals immigrants and the poor American will be the one who suffer because the rich men dont care who you are

  191. perkins
    June 25th, 2012 at 00:30 | #191

    Common us poor people have too much time to waste in the internet over some nonsense the rich men dont waste their time they go in the internet for business purpose while they let us poor people fighting over some nonsense

  192. powel
    June 25th, 2012 at 09:31 | #192

    The rich men pay every body including me they dont have country their country is the world and money is their flag so if they cant make money overhere they will move their company somewhere else and when you send the immigrants back whos gonna shopping in the stores people

  193. mister monopoly
    June 25th, 2012 at 12:28 | #193

    Common people just get over it because the rich men will always win why you think that tax bill did not pass through Congress where they will tax the rich more taxes its because theyre the boss and they dont care if you are white black yellow as long they still be able to make money out of the poor

  194. Artemis
    June 25th, 2012 at 12:45 | #194

    The illegal aliens have fought for their right to trespass. What’s next? Members of NAMBLA fighting for their right to molest? It’s a crazy world.

    Illegal aliens are roaming all across America like Orcs invading Gondor. They are taking over the public parks and libraries. They are taking over the restaurants and laundromats.
    It’s an injustice when American citizens can’t use thier own friggin’ public accomodations because they are being used by people who shouldn’t even be here in the first place.
    The threat is very much real. It’s not imagined.
    The threat is especially real to anyone who has had themselves or a love one molested, raped, or murdered by an illegal alien.
    In 20 years, 500,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens.
    That’s a staggering number.
    They need to be stopped.
    It will require a benevolent dictatorship backed up with machine guns and atom bombs to stop the barbarian hordes from south of the border.
    Organize yourselves politically to this end while you still can, before the sombrero-wearing camels get their noses too far into your tent.

    (BTW, we’re not all immigrants. If we were born in America, we’re not immigrants. I was born in America, so don’t call me an immigrant.)

  195. Artemis
    June 25th, 2012 at 12:45 | #195

    The illegal aliens have fought for their right to trespass. What’s next? Members of NAMBLA fighting for their right to molest? It’s a crazy world.

    Illegal aliens are roaming all across America like Orcs invading Gondor. They are taking over the public parks and libraries. They are taking over the restaurants and laundromats.
    It’s an injustice when American citizens can’t use thier own friggin’ public accomodations because they are being used by people who shouldn’t even be here in the first place.
    The threat is very much real. It’s not imagined.
    The threat is especially real to anyone who has had themselves or a love one molested, raped, or murdered by an illegal alien.
    In 20 years, 500,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens.
    That’s a staggering number.
    They need to be stopped.
    It will require a benevolent dictatorship backed up with machine guns and atom bombs to stop the barbarian hordes from south of the border.
    Organize yourselves politically to this end while you still can, before the sombrero-wearing camels get their noses too far into your tent.


  196. Artemis
    June 25th, 2012 at 12:48 | #196

    We need a benevolent dictatorship backed up with machine guns and atom bombs to stop the barbarian hordes from south of the border.
    Organize yourselves politically to this end while you still can, before the sombrero-wearing camels get their noses too far into your tent.

  197. Artemis
    June 25th, 2012 at 13:04 | #197

    Someone can’t become a defacto resident of my home by breaking into it, so someone shouldn’t be able to become a defacto citizen by breaking into the United States. Illegal aliens should be banned from all places that citizens have a right to go. From all public accomodations. There places should be reserved for actual citizens. It’s wrong that illegal aliens can take up space that would be better taken up by citizens with the legal right to be here.

  198. Jason
    June 25th, 2012 at 13:09 | #198

    Our great immigrant grand parents would be so proud.
    Do not forget we take plenty of spaces around the world as well, sometimes welcomed and sometimes not.

  199. Guilherme
    June 26th, 2012 at 08:55 | #199

    Nice reply Jason, and Jacob crevier.
    So by youor definition Artemis you should not be living in the US. and the real citizens of the land were the indians and your ancestors (which were not born in the US land) were ilegally imigrationg to US.
    Also you guys should return have of the state of Texas to Mexico as that was also taken by force, and Also the Central US, and that was purchased from France for a very Cheap Deal of a land that was not legally French (but Indian Land, and finnaly return the west coast as that part was part of the Ämerican “gold rush, meaning people were imigrating the a land that initially did not belong to the US.
    Also “America”is the entire Continent, South, central and North, so what country IN AMERICA are you part of? Mexico?
    Home Lnad Security Paper
    http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_ill_pe_2011.pdf about estimates of Illegal imigrants (did i see the paper here? not sure if I’m reposting)

  200. Jason
    June 26th, 2012 at 09:23 | #200

    Well we can not pass the land over to the Indians since there are not that many around to pass the land to and most of our ancestors have passed.

    From what I understand the number of illegals coming to this country has been going down drastically in the last few years and number of Americans and illegals leaving this country is rising. As we enter into a global market it will not matter as much where you are from but how strong your education is and the knowledge you can gain access to.

    What if we focus our energy on something we can all fix easily for example; a stronger and better education system, lower obesity rates and a debt free economy for starters. I believe these are all things we can all fix in no time if we all just stop and use our brain power, time and money wisely to focus on these issues I am more than sure we can agree needs to be fixed.

  201. July 10th, 2012 at 11:36 | #201

    First off I would like to say superb blog! I had a quick question in
    which I’d like to ask if you don’t mind. I was interested to find out how you center yourself and clear your thoughts before writing. I have had difficulty clearing my mind in getting my ideas out there. I do enjoy writing but it just seems like the first 10 to 15 minutes are usually lost simply just trying to figure out how to begin. Any recommendations or hints? Kudos!

  202. July 13th, 2012 at 17:48 | #202

    I just focus on a clear message that I want to get across. Don’t let yourself get caught up on too many opinions and facts. Stay focused on one view and one view only. It also helps if you are very opinionated on the topic. Don’t fight for something your not totally invested on.

    And I also agree with Jason. Issues like immigration and health care have broken down our ability to cooperate on basic issues. We have lost our ability to have just a decent conversation with people. My opinion is that we need to suck it up. We don’t always get what we want. If Congress has forgotten what we all have been taught in kindergarten then they need to be replaced. A house divided against itsself cannot stand. We cant allow our anger to cloud our judgement on issues that could effect Americans for years or decades. Either work it out or get the fuck off the floor.

  203. July 13th, 2012 at 17:55 | #203


    Man in Detroit shot over a political debate. Anyone want to get over this crap and work to on fixing our immigration problems or not? (And by anyone I mean the racist bastards who fill this very . interesting thread with worthless garbage. Do it for a better future.)

  204. JoSe
    July 13th, 2012 at 20:38 | #204

    The problem we have in this country is our tax money goes to people that never intend to support their families because they know our dumb Government will give them our tax money as ( benefits ) they have never earned that ( is forced on us ) as taxes. Illegals do come, but they work under the table, but at least they work and some of our citizens don’t know the definition of the word work. I am tired of providing for the lazy Americans and the Government should let them starve, but it won’t happen as long as we pay taxes.

  205. JoSe
    July 13th, 2012 at 20:53 | #205

    I used to be against illegals, but now I am against people we have to support and they are American citizens that parasite off tax payers. Our Government is blind and doesn’t understand we have the right to not support people that won’t work to support babies they bring into this world. Many people feel sorry for these people, but they don’t even take the time to thank the tax payers because, if it wasn’t for us their children would die of hunger. The Government takes from us and gives to them and expects us to be happy they eat better then some tax payers.

  206. JoSe
    July 14th, 2012 at 07:05 | #206

    If I am elected President I’ll change the Laws and eliminate any Programs that help those that don’t want to help themselves, so the food stamp program would be a thing of the Past and also Medicaid for children and Adults. I know people would cry foul because they are used to getting something for nothing, so forget about having me as your President because you would call me an Obama twin. Wait he won’t do what I have mentioned, so you people are safe from losing your free food and healthcare called Medicaid as long as you keep this traitor as your President. The illegals love him and praise him, and worship him as they worship their God.

  207. Jason
    July 14th, 2012 at 08:14 | #207

    From what I understand, Presidents do not make law. We run this country no matter how much the media tries to convince us that we do not.

    I could care less if people get food stamps or medicaid. We have other things we spend much more money on and that do very little to benefit anyone. Let us start with those.

  208. Jason
    July 14th, 2012 at 09:03 | #208

    Or another solution is if we cut all across the board to eliminate debate. Or we can start de-criminalizing so we can increase our tax income and not have stress so much over our tight economy. :)

    There are many countries that are taking the second option and they are actually strengthening their economy and reducing violent crimes at the same time.

  209. Sdgdav
    July 30th, 2012 at 12:32 | #209

    Dear fascists, racists, and fools,
    The way I see it, the U.S. deserves this; all those years of the CIA and the U.S. overall just undoing central and south america. You have overthrown our goverments, destroyed our economies, and bought anything you deemed a “threat” to your country. So eat it, all those people whose lives and countries you have ruined now dare to live here. I’m so sorry if poor, hard-working people don’t appeal to you but frankly we don’t care if we appeal to you. Quit being a fascist nation already, that undermines the so called american “dream”. How about this for a solution, we get our reform, we get to contribute to this country and in turn we help get this country back on track. Oh, and stay out of other countries businesses too, that way they can get back on track, and they won’t need to come here.

    A concerned tax-paying proud illegal AMERICAN.

  210. William Stukes
    July 31st, 2012 at 13:39 | #210

    I have a friend who had his ran into by an illegal alien. The police and fire dept. came and seen what happened. But my friend’s homeowner policy went up $25.00 per month because the illegal had no driver’s license, insurance and the car wasn’t his either. What can we do about this?

  211. August 1st, 2012 at 23:27 | #211

    Sdgdav I’m sorry for any wrong you feel our country has brought on your country of origin. Our country has high standards for many things and stands for great ideals but it has been on the decline for a while. Although your anger is justified in certain areas I ask you to please not judge all of us for some of our poor mistakes. Remember what the u.s. stands for and that it was not only built by white Americans but a group of culturally diverse people looking for a better life. We have made some mistakes and I please ask you to not judge all of us just for the poor actions of our leaders. Doing that is like judging Arabic people for al qaedas actions or good hardworking undocumented workers for those who abuse the u.s. s aid.

  212. Sdgdav
    August 1st, 2012 at 23:57 | #212

    Thank you for being reasonable Jacob, I appreciate that. Don’t misunderstand me though, I know there are lots of great people in this country and I don’t judge any of you. What angers me though, is people that don’t understand why we are here, who we are, and the hardships we face, we aren’t criminals, we don’t “take” your jobs, and I haven’t seen my family in around 12 years. Even worse when people just hate for no reason. Most people don’t even know I’m undocumented, but I do suffer discrimination on a daily basis. My message was aimed towards racists who just hate latinos, fascists/nationalists who believe in a “pure” America with only native born Americans, and fools who think mass deportation is the only answer. I for one am proud of this country and work hard to make it better even though I was never given a chance, and I hope people will see that and give me a chance. I, and lots of people like myself, are simply waiting to be given that chance, but right now it looks like a distant dream. Cheers.

  213. Jason
    August 2nd, 2012 at 04:07 | #213

    Yes, Sdgdav. Remember this country is still in its infancy if you compare it to any other nation. We have a lot to learn. I also feel our education here short changes us when it comes to deep understanding of other cultures and countries. I always get surprised on how much people from other countries know so much about us and how little we know about them.
    It seems all we know is what the news tells us which is “The rest of the world bad, we good”

    But on the positive note we are moving in the right direction. Not too long minorities had no rights, women had no rights and racism was the norm. Now you see cities standing up for gays and people are opening up more to each other than ever. Thanks to this little thing called the internet.

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  215. paola
    August 20th, 2012 at 23:34 | #215

    Sdgdav :Dear fascists, racists, and fools,The way I see it, the U.S. deserves this; all those years of the CIA and the U.S. overall just undoing central and south america. You have overthrown our goverments, destroyed our economies, and bought anything you deemed a “threat” to your country. So eat it, all those people whose lives and countries you have ruined now dare to live here. I’m so sorry if poor, hard-working people don’t appeal to you but frankly we don’t care if we appeal to you. Quit being a fascist nation already, that undermines the so called american “dream”. How about this for a solution, we get our reform, we get to contribute to this country and in turn we help get this country back on track. Oh, and stay out of other countries businesses too, that way they can get back on track, and they won’t need to come here.
    Sincerely,A concerned tax-paying proud illegal AMERICAN.


  216. paola
    August 20th, 2012 at 23:42 | #216

    Artemis :The illegal aliens have fought for their right to trespass. What’s next? Members of NAMBLA fighting for their right to molest? It’s a crazy world.
    Illegal aliens are roaming all across America like Orcs invading Gondor. They are taking over the public parks and libraries. They are taking over the restaurants and laundromats.It’s an injustice when American citizens can’t use thier own friggin’ public accomodations because they are being used by people who shouldn’t even be here in the first place.The threat is very much real. It’s not imagined.The threat is especially real to anyone who has had themselves or a love one molested, raped, or murdered by an illegal alien.In 20 years, 500,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens.That’s a staggering number.They need to be stopped.It will require a benevolent dictatorship backed up with machine guns and atom bombs to stop the barbarian hordes from south of the border.Organize yourselves politically to this end while you still can, before the sombrero-wearing camels get their noses too far into your tent.

    sombrero wearing camels? is that really the best you can do! and about your laundromats problem its called taking turns and if you can go learn how to hand wash. and public parks and libraries? you act like if you had to be holding hands while you go some where no retard the park is bigg enough and if not stay home! fucking ignorent people just smoke a blunnt and chill fuck!

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  218. CaptinLizzmar
    September 3rd, 2012 at 21:49 | #218

    I understand all of your peoples concerns about out money being drained and our supplies being used for free. I also understand the anger both sides have. But dont you guys see the big picture of whats happening to our country? One, learning spanish is mandatory because now that we have ways to communicate to other countrys, you have to learn other languages to communicate with them. Second, I agree, we should educate the illegal children because, if we dont have an educated society, this nation will fall no matter what the situation is. Third, dont you think that it may also be the americans fault that we are in debt to so many countries? I understand about how illegals are draining us, but it also could be the americans fault for those of us who just spend money freely and free ride on our own goverment and tax payers. Fourth, even if all the immigrants left, there would be jobs still open because americans wanting jobs dont want a “disgusting” or “undiserable” job. Fifth, if you think that the immigration problem shoulde be solved immediantly, start something the goverment will take notice to instead of just sitting in the shadows like the illegal immigrants are. Do something useful to get it going and dont just yell at people across a screen and a web of networks. All you people who discriminate against illegals, dont blame them for everything, it is also the high ranking people in this country who do things there not supposed to do. Take President Obama for example, he made promises when he ran for president and didnt do half of them. [not trying to discriminate against him or fans] Illegal immigrants here, dont hate americans, you also have your bad people from the drug cartels and murderers that escape the law, so dont hate against us for us. Also, for those of you who say we should do inhumane things to these people, they still are human! It doesnt matter if they are illegally here, doesnt mean we should take drastic measures as what Hitler did. Also, dont hate other people for what they thought would be right or what might be best for there children, and dont take this out on the kids, they werent the ones who decided they should cross the border. More then likely, they didnt know what was going on at the time. Much less make the decision for themselves, plus, it wasnt the anchor babies fault that they were born in the U.S. There mother came here and thats the only reason they were born here, they couldnt control there own birth. Dont bring yourselves down with this fight people, if this country didnt have immigrants come, or if we didnt teach every child that came here, we wouldnt be where we are today, and i thought you people were part of the red, white and blue. I understand the problems that illegal immigration brings with it today, but shooting racism comments at each other and killing each other isnt going to solve anything. It will just bring war and distruction and this nation will fall at the hands of the americans and the illegals. Also, dont blame others for the poor decisions of there leaders, its not there fault that there country fell to shreds. Plus, people just cant go to there country and “fix it” by speaking up. As said by others, many countries have corrupt leaders, like Hitler, and if someone does speak up, there more then likely to get arrested or killed for there state of mind. You have to remember, not all countries have freedom of speech like the U.S. does. Also, if we keep up the fighting and the problem, it will grow into one big rats nest that this country has created for itself. I’m saying that because its also the U.S. fault that this problem is continuing, they wont do a stinking thing about it and then where does that leave the rest of us? In this deep dark pit of dispair that soon will get to this countrys routes, the constitution, and destroy the foundation our forefathers set for us in the first place. For you people who say we should remove the 14th amendment, how would you like it if your children werent legal U.S. citizens immeadiantly when they were born? Thats how all of your children will feel if we remove the 14th ammendment. Also, for those of you who say we should ride the states of these illegals because of domestic crimes and serious crimes, the citizens have there own share of crime commiters, and no one dare mention that because they are natural born citizens? Grow up people and see the big picture, its not just the illegal immigrants who are causing this. Its the nation itself thats dragging itself deeper into the ground. Soon, this country will destroy itself in the process, its just one big catastrope waiting to happen. So wake up everyone, and i mean everyone, and do something else then just complain about one another and fight with each other, why dont you join together and demand for a better goverment or something better for both sides of the argument? That would snap the goverment awake to do something about this situation. I am neutral to this situation, I dont care if you call me things, I am not the violent type, i just try to give a good reason that both sides will agree on, and for all you people who use a “colorful” language, try to cut down on it, it just wastes giga bites.

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  220. jake
    September 20th, 2012 at 09:48 | #220

    there still is a big problem. America is so heavily over populated they make finding jobs harder because they work for cheaper, and usually the people who employ them dont pay taxes on them either because there not U.S. citizens. it isnt fair that they can come over here and build a life for themselves because while doing that they are taking the life that a true american has worked dearly for… there is no possible way that you can prove to me that this is fair.

  221. Deyson
    September 20th, 2012 at 10:06 | #221

    @ Jake. They pay taxes. Also they are doing the same thing our great grand parents did. Plus if you look at the numbers you will see that the number of immigrants coming into this country has been going down and the number of Americans leaving this country has gone up. I believe we are blaming everyone else for our overspending habits as a nation and in our own homes. From what I understand this nation was built and founded by immigrants, it was their hard work that allowed us to have the freedoms we now enjoy.

  222. pancho
    September 24th, 2012 at 12:58 | #222

    @Derek Clark
    you suck man mexicans work hard af

  223. September 25th, 2012 at 10:44 | #223

    Where did I say they didn’t? Nothing in the article even remotely said that they didn’t. It just said that those coming here illegally aren’t paying for the things they are receiving. I’m very much in favor of immigration, legal immigration. If you want to come here and work hard I’m all for it. But if you want to go to our schools and use our hospitals I’d like you to pay some taxes as well.

  224. Deyson
    September 25th, 2012 at 10:55 | #224

    @ Derek. From what I understand is that they do pay taxes and if anything they pay more taxes than most Americans. If they rent, part of the rent is going to a property tax, if they mortgage part goes to property tax, if they buy anything they pay sales tax, plus all the other hundreds of taxes we all have to pay for, cigs, alcohol, etc etc.. Many even pay into social security and they will not be able to collect it either. So if anything they are paying for more than they receive.

    From what I have read immigrants have paid more than 11 billion in taxes in 2011 alone.

    If they get deported we keep all their property which is another form of tax since we seize it and sell it. .

    I do not think the problem are immigrants but government politicians that have no self control with our money. So instead they spend, spend, spend and then blame everyone else for our debt.





  225. September 25th, 2012 at 11:38 | #225

    “if anything they pay more taxes than most Americans” - how do you figure that? At best from the articles you linked it says half of them pay taxes. that means the other half doesn’t. Americans also pay property taxes and sales taxes and pretty much all of them pay income tax as well. 50% paying is in fact less than 100% paying. The fact is, that while they contributed 11 billion in taxes in 2011, they used far more than that of public services. While they might be good for SS which they pay into and won’t get, they are a huge drain on local governments providing school and healthcare.

    All I said in the article was that if we went to a fair tax, i.e. federal sales tax instead of income tax, then 100% of them would be contributing instead of 50%. Doesn’t that seem reasonable?

  226. Deyson
    September 25th, 2012 at 12:10 | #226

    @ Derek. They pay more because they can not collect social security and when they get deported they loose everything and all that is sold goes to the government, which any additional income the government makes counts as a tax.

    Everyone in this country pays a tax, you buy a stick of gum, you pay tax. You use a phone, you pay a tax. Everything is taxed and sometimes even triple taxed, just look at a loaf of bread and see how much it was taxed before you even buy it.

    Now if you are speaking of Income tax, then you need to equate that more than %50 percent of Americans do not pay income tax. I believe income tax to be a scam, but that is a whole other story.

    I do agree we need to get rid of the income tax since the cost of running it is high and the benefits are very low.

    We all pay plenty into our government, the problem is that our public servants spend way too much and mostly to satisfy their sponsors. We could get rid of every immigrant and that will not fix our overspending habits. Controlling the world is not cheap and in the end debt will just be our worst enemy, look at Rome and many others throughout history.

    Also, do not forget to take into account how many of us are in other countries illegally or by force, we are not as innocent as we play out to be.

    Maybe this is just Karma for taking their land away in the first place. :)

  227. September 25th, 2012 at 15:21 | #227

    not collecting social security doesn’t mean they are paying more. just potentially those people receiving less. I’m sure someone deported loses a lot, but there aren’t that many people deported, and i don’t think what they lose comes close to covering the whole amount spent. again, we are talking about the collective not just a few specific people.

    Other than that, I agree with pretty much everything you are saying. Spending in our government is the huge problem, and I’d really like them to solve that as opposed to collecting more taxes. I’d also like to get rid of the income tax, but we have to be realistic. they aren’t going to stop collecting all that revenue and not at least replace some of it. I think the fair tax makes more sense for a lot of reasons.

    as for Rome, you might be interested in the quest post we published today - http://geekpolitics.com/why-failing-civilizations-usually-destroy-their-own-middle-classes/

  228. JoSe
    September 25th, 2012 at 17:45 | #228

    Sure, every illegal is going to turn in employers that hires them, so what, if employers wise up and start to not hire illegals.

  229. JoSe
    September 25th, 2012 at 17:46 | #229

    Employers wise up and don’t hire illegals because they’ll turn you in so they can get a green card.

  230. Deyson
    September 26th, 2012 at 04:27 | #230

    @ Derek. I was under the understanding that if you pay into a system and not get back you are in essence paying more.

    Yes you are right they are not being deported much, from what I read the are being or will be arrested as felons and being placed to work as prison slaves instead.

    Also to the best of my knowledge if an immigrant works for much less than that increases profits for a company, higher profits mean more taxes are being paid by the company, is this not a way of indirect taxation? Yes it may not be fair for the immigrant but the point is that if we analyze enough we will see that the put in their share as well and they should not get all the blame on our problems. Also prison slaves I believe make close to 18 cents a day, so that is actually even worse than low paid immigrants. No wonder violent crime rates in our country are going down, but arrest rates are going up as there are big profits in human slavery. It is sad we have the highest prison population in the world and most of them in there are “dangerous” pot smokers. :(

    What I do not understand is how are we making a big deal of our hard working immigrants, that help tame our landscapes, pick our fruits and build our houses. But at the same time we send billions in foreign aid to tyrants, dictators and war criminals in foreign countries. I believe before we focus on the smaller problem, which from I understand the number of immigrants coming in is going down and number leaving is going up, we should focus on our huge, unnecessary, out of control spending.

    We are also already fixing the immigration problem, as our national economy plummets and the global economy strengthens, this country will not be as prosperous as it once was, the only problem is the high number of intellectual and successful americans leaving the country as well along with the immigrants.

    The funny thing is that most immigrants have more love and passion for our country than most of our citizens. Maybe there is something we can learn from them.

    Great article on Rome. I would also highly recommend you read: http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2011/08/abolish-the-presidency-its-a-useless-job/

    This article does a great job at illustrating that the president is not the savior we all believe him/she to be. I feel we are the ones that are responsible for our nation and what we do at home has a great effect on our country. So if are to focus on the biggest problem, let us focus on something we could agree on and that is Debt, personal and national. Instead of debating on things we all have different point of views on and wasting time, let us focus on what we see in common and start on that. Debt! :)

  231. October 3rd, 2012 at 11:30 | #231

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  232. October 12th, 2012 at 10:49 | #232

    First off, notice that I wrote this article 4 years ago. Some things have changed since then, i.e. the severe recession slowed some immigration for one. Second, I don’t think I ever said it was the biggest problem or even a huge problem we are facing. I do think it is a problem, but I agree that our spending is a bigger problem. I’ve already read that article, I read most of what James writes.

  233. Stryker.
    October 18th, 2012 at 22:39 | #233

    The above posts are all great ideas, but as long as there are opportunities in magnet states and cities for these illegals they’re gonna keep coming. Only good legislation against their practices and jail time for employers is going to help stem the flow. Lets face it, these people know more than we citizens do about how to use the system to their advantage. They work together like a corps of street engineers to get settled in from safe houses, to multi-family housing, you name it, they know about it. And they have connections from where they came from to get drugs to sell and set up networking….its a joke…

  234. JoSe
    October 19th, 2012 at 08:10 | #234

    If they are stopped for an infraction and Immigration is called they feel their rights have been violated, but they seem to forget they are here as illegals, and we have the right to expect them to be deported since we are Americans and no country would accept us as illegals there. They are not welcome here as illegals, but as legal residents that’s a different story.

  235. JoSe
    October 19th, 2012 at 08:15 | #235

    @Jason I care, if people get benefits they didn’t earn because all we get is Social Security and Medicare, but we paid for those benefits for years.

  236. Deyson
    October 19th, 2012 at 08:15 | #236

    @ Jose “no country would accept us as illegals there” - From what I understand we are fighting illegal wars. Would that not count as being there illegally?

  237. JoSe
    October 19th, 2012 at 08:17 | #237

    @Deyson Those countries asked for our help and the USA is like a mother hen that protects all its chicks.

  238. Deyson
    October 19th, 2012 at 08:59 | #238

    @ Jose Even if that is true, which is still heavily debated. How is placing ourselves in huge and endless debt going to help us in the long run? The biggest danger any nation ( or any person ) can face is Debt.

    So my question is who is going to help get us out of debt especially when debt is the ultimate form of slavery. I for one do not want to be a slave to anyone.

    We are also of no help to anyone if we ourselves are to sink. I would think the smart thing to do is focus our energy on our biggest expenses first and then try to fix the smaller ones next.

  239. JoSe
    October 19th, 2012 at 09:05 | #239

    @Deyson If the Government stopped giving our money to people that don’t care to work and support themselves our tax money could be used to pay off our debt, but that’s never going to happen because of the Advocates that feel we owe these people a life like ours. I provide for my family, so every man that has a family should also do it and you may be one of us that works, and supports your family like we do. Take care.

  240. Deyson
    October 19th, 2012 at 09:12 | #240

    @ Jose so in keeping with your analogy, how is mother hen going to protect her chicks if she is hungry and broke? Eventually the chicks have to leave the nest and fend for themselves as mother hen has her own problems to worry about.

  241. JoSe
    October 19th, 2012 at 09:24 | #241

    Deyso: Do you think we should vote for a sales tax increase in our city, so our Mayor can implement a Pre-K Program for the children of low income parents and children of illegals. Our children ( actually grandchildren in my case )won’t qualify because we make an effort to teach then the basics before they enter Kindergarten since they have never qualified for Pre-K. I will vote no to this babysitting fiasco because the school districts already have a Pre-K for the students of these same students, but as I mentioned our children have never qualified because of those students that are never taught much at home. It’s only about $8.00 a year, but it’s not the money, but the fact all children should have the right to attend Pre-K and not one certain group.

  242. Deyson
    October 19th, 2012 at 09:51 | #242

    Jose I have lost all faith in the government schools. I think too much money is wasted on huge salaries for the board head members, very little for actual education and then on top you got endless bureaucracy.

    Do the head boards members really need to make 6 figures? I have more faith in charter schools and homeschooling, but that is my opinion.

    But going back the Hen analogy, would it not be cheaper and easier to help “our little chicks ( if you meant our fellow humans )” here with our subpar government eduction instead of spending trillions in other countries just bombing them and then spending trillions more rebuilding what we bombed.

  243. JoSe
    October 19th, 2012 at 14:15 | #243

    If I go to Germany and stay there I will learn their Language because I don’t expect them to learn mine to be able to communicate with me. So, the people from Mexico need to learn our Language and not expect us to learn their Language because why should we learn Spanish, if we all talk in the English Language? This makes sense, but many Businesses now sport signs in English and Spanish, so these people won’t file lawsuits because they don’t know how to read English. No one told them to come to our country, so why come where you aren’t welcomed with a smile.

  244. JoSe
    October 19th, 2012 at 14:28 | #244

    Head Board Members really should be volunteers composed of old retirees that have nothing better to do and that would save a bundle of money. If I am not mistaken they don’t get paid, but I may be wrong. It’s like the city council members they work for beans because they have their regular jobs, but they in fact try to do things we don’t agree with and don’t give the citizens a chance to say ( No ) we don’t like what you are doing such as trying to educate children as, if the city was a school district.

  245. Deyson
    October 19th, 2012 at 14:45 | #245

    It is good to learn more than one language. I know in many south american countries and many other countries English is a mandatory second language being that it is such a dominant language since Britain did own close to the whole world and english was forced to be taught where they conquered.

    I think we should teach our children spanish, it will open them up to other cultures, make them more valuable in the business world and spanish is also a very popular language. If we force them to learn algebra which very few of us use in adulthood, why not have them learn a language that is so close to us?

    My point is when our government is loosing trillions of dollars while putting us in huge debt to “save the chicks”, why do we focus on something that is diminishing on its own like illegal immigrants. The number of illegals in this country is reducing. Why would they want to come here anymore when our economy is sinking and theirs is strengthening?

  246. JoSe
    October 19th, 2012 at 16:58 | #246

    Deyson: It’s good, but to be forced to do it isn’t right. Many people are happy knowing one Language and they don’t have to learn a second language unless they plan to travel, and not have to depend on someone to translate for them. I know two languages simply because I worked in a job that allowed me to learn, but it was hard since many people have broken languages and don’t use the correct words. I am glad we live in a country that allows us to learn, but some children are denied an early education because their parents earn too much and that’s what disqualifies them from even attending Pre-K as other fortunate children are allowed to attend simply because of their parents being low income or illegals in this country. This is the last time I’ll comment on this subject because it seems like I am writing a transcript.

  247. Deyson
    October 19th, 2012 at 17:31 | #247

    I was forced to learn a bunch of useless facts in school. I would much have rather learned more languages during that time as it would have made me much more valuable in our current global market.

    Would you not agree that lower income people get worse schools? So in turn they get pre-k for one year and then 12 years of metal detectors and out dated text books. So maybe we think they may be benefiting, but they may actually be loosing out much more in the long run.

  248. JoSe
    October 19th, 2012 at 18:15 | #248

    Deyson: Lower income people get Section-8 Housing, so they move to better ( they think ) school district. It’s up to their children to want to learn or be low income themselves and the poor income cycle never ends. I was going to finish this, but had to respond because low income people have a better life then most tax payers since they parasite off our money that the Government takes from us as taxes. In our city the best school districts are all the schools, but the students have to want to learn and it doesn’t have to be at a school district they feel is better or worse. I have nothing against low income people except they feel we owe them and that’s not what we pay taxes for. If a husband and a wife can’t support a family I feel they should not have any children, and live a happy life as husband and wife without a family.

  249. Deyson
    October 19th, 2012 at 18:40 | #249

    I understand. But that is going into a whole new discussion, because I am sure not all the poor feel this way, every city is different and as I said there is no way of knowing what is going on inside our schools, since it is like a secret society.

    I will agree we should not be handing out money, if anything maybe start farms so people can grow their own food or set up food banks. The last thing we want are people starving on the streets, I could care less how they got there.

  250. JoSe
    October 19th, 2012 at 19:24 | #250
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  252. JoSe
    October 19th, 2012 at 19:27 | #252

    Deyson, don’t worry I have my reason for this comments.

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  255. JoSe
    November 10th, 2012 at 23:38 | #255

    Now that Obama won another term of four more years he’ll do his best to legalize all the illegals before he leaves office. He started with the children of the illegals this past summer and now will try to help the parents of these children since they have been here as illegals since the day they brought their children to this country. We have no say because of the people that voted for him and they didn’t know some of those illegals will take the jobs that were meant for their American born children. It’s your fault, so learn to live with your children being unemployed once they Graduate from High School and will be second fiddle to the children of illegals for the next two years because these children will have the jobs that were meant for your children.

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  257. JoSe
    November 11th, 2012 at 11:11 | #257

    In our city ( San Antonio ) they voted for a sales tax increase, so the children of low income parents and children of illegals could attend all day Pre-K, but our children don’t qualify because we make sure our children are bright, but they still should attend Pre-K because in this country every child deserves an education and that includes children that are here as illegals. What they are telling us is ( you should be ashamed of yourself for wanting a free education for your children ) because in this city only the lowlife can attend because you pay for it, so that makes me mad since most of those people don’t work and have a better life then most tax payers. It’s only comes out to less then nine dollars a year per tax payer, but it’s not the money because our children don’t qualify and to tell you the truth they will still be smarter then the Pre-K students because all they do is sleep, and the teachers have to change their clothes since many of them soil on themselves because the parents don’t teach them the basics.

  258. JoSe
    November 11th, 2012 at 12:50 | #258

    @Bonerobo Giving them a green card for turning in someone that wants to help them is insane because then no one would hire the illegals since they would be turned in by them, so it won’t work to give them a green card since no employers would take a chance in hiring them. I know I wouldn’t hire an illegal, if I had a business. Cutting grass and cleaning my toilet is not the same as working for a large business.

  259. JoSe
    November 11th, 2012 at 12:54 | #259

    @Regie wayens

    @JoSe Did you finished the second grade in Mexico?

  260. JoSe
    November 11th, 2012 at 13:01 | #260

    @Shelly The test is a common sense test and, if you review the questions you have a good chance to pass. If you think you are going to walk in and pass without studying them you will fail it. The children were conceived in their own country, but the mothers dropped anchor here and that shouldn’t make them American Citizens, so the Law needs to be changed; so they won’t come and drop anchor anymore.

  261. JoSe
    November 11th, 2012 at 13:15 | #261

    I used to work in construction and our Supervisor hired some illegals, but found out we couldn’t work with them since they didn’t speak English, and didn’t understand the orders being given to them. He had to let them go because of lack of communication and we weren’t about to work with people that were being paid cash under the table. I left that job and they still didn’t hire anyone that didn’t speak English, and that included American born people that were anchor babies since their parents didn’t teach them English because they never learned it themselves. It wasn’t Discrimination just the fact communication was very important, when you are 40 floors up. This is my last comment because I want to celebrate the defeat of the Alabama Tide. I had picked the Aggies to defeat them and my predictions usually happen. Oregon will defeat Alabama in the grand-daddy of all the Bowl Games. Texas will take care of Kansas State and USC will take care of Notre Dame.

  262. john
    November 13th, 2012 at 02:09 | #262

    It is funny how so many people can write about something that they don’t know, they write about stuff on the news (CNN, FOX NEWS), tv shows ( war borders, etc.) , but how people can change history if we all know that this country was form from immigrants, at the same time we will never be able to change the idea of superiority that some people have in their brains, because that is history to it was set in ours brains more than 300 years ago when Europeans especially form Great Britain , whose started this separation of races, indians, whites, blacks and browns, on different levels across their colonies ( South Africa, Australia,USA,India, etc.), it is easy for us to say that all mexicans are lazy, that salvadorians are gangsters, that Guatemalans are uneducated, and Peruvians are living from welfare, or perhaps that we should secure the borders because palestinians are terrorists specially the ones that get into the country via Mexico, which is crazy people, many of us never been out of the states or even their state, or towns, which is funny, therefore my judgement is Americans are not cosmopolitans, or perhaps they’re broke, or maybe they like their country so much that they don’t want to know and explore other places.
    Illegal immigration it is in many cases , generated by our government, killing economies around the world, causing hunger and starvation in many countries, lets set Mexico as an example, NAFTA it is killing the Mexican economy for the wellness of us, we are not only importing people out jobs, but we are exporting more than 80 percent of goodies to the south of the border, we are selling weapons and armament to cartels , drug dealers, and gangsters not only there but El Salvador, Guatemala, Colombia, Peru, Bolivia, etc etc. and the list gets thicker every time as we speak.
    Americans lets meet the world, i been in a lot of countries because of my world ” auditor”, for a big American company in Washington , and i met the most intelligent people outside the Union, no offense but it is true, people who can speak more than 5 languages in Peru, or Mexico and not because they need it but for cultural purposes, educational purposes, and principal social purposes, if we don’t want to learn spanish it’s cool because we are cool right, if we do not want to learn french it is all right , this is America, in true that make us uncultivated people which is not cool.
    and below you will find some facts that some people is writing is just not true or even close to that :
    UNDOCUMENTED TAX PAYER: by the congressional budget office in 2004.

    Most arguments against illegal immigration begin with the premise that the illegal don’t pay income taxes, and that they therefore take more in services than they contribute. However, IRS estimates that about 10 million of 13 million illegal immigrants, unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year.
    Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes. Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay in about $7 billion per year into Social Security. Most illegal immigrants pay sales, federal and state income taxes. In addition they also spend millions per year which support US and helps create new jobs. The Texas State Comptroller report in 2006 that the 1.4 million illegal immigrants in Texas alone added almost $18 billion to the state’s budget, and paid $1.2 billion in state services they used.
    Their Social Security and Medicare contributions directly support older Americans as illegal immigrants are not eligible to receive these services. The Internal Revenue Service issues an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have Federal tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code. Federal tax law prohibits the IRS from sharing data with other government agencies including the INS. In 2006 1.4 million people used ITIN when filing taxes, of which more than half were illegal immigrants.

    Consumer Demand

    Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year.

    Health Care

    According to the U.S. Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1986 (42 U.S.C. § 1395dd), most hospitals may not refuse anyone treatment for an emergency medical condition because of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay. An example of the cost conflict between federal government, state and local government, and private institutions, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) brings injured and ill illegal immigrants to hospital emergency rooms but does not pay for their medical care.[Almost $190 million, or about 25 percent, of the uncompensated costs southwest border county hospitals incurred resulted from emergency medical treatment provided to illegal immigrants.
    At least two research studies have been done which attempt to discover the cost of health care for illegal immigrants by asking the undocumented themselves.
    A phone survey in which Alexander Ortega and colleagues at the University of California asked illegal immigrants how often they receive medical care reported that illegal immigrants are no more likely to visit the emergency room than native born Americans.
    A RAND study concluded that the total federal cost of providing medical expenses for the 78% illegal immigrants without health insurance coverage was $1.1 billion, with immigrants paying $321 million of health care costs out-of-pocket. The study found that illegal immigrants tend to visit physicians less frequently than U.S. citizens because they are younger and because people with chronic health problems are less likely to migrate.

    Weighing Benefits against Costs

    During 2007, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reviewed 29 reports published over 15 years on the impact of unauthorized immigrants on the budgets of state and local governments. While cautioning that the reports are not a suitable basis for developing an aggregate national effect across all states, they concluded that:
    â–ª State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs;
    â–ª The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions;
    â–ª The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants, although the impact is most likely modest; and
    â–ª Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments.
    Professor of Law Francine Lipman writes that the belief that illegal migrants are exploiting the US economy and that they cost more in services than they contribute to the economy is "undeniably false". Lipman asserts that "undocumented immigrants actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services" and "contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs."
    Aviva Chomsky, a professor at Salem State College, states, "Early studies in California and in the Southwest and in the Southeast...have come to the same conclusions. Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of."
    Editorialist Robert Samuelson points out those poor immigrants strain public services such as local schools and health care. He points out that "from 2000 to 2006, 41 percent of the increase in people without health insurance occurred among Hispanics", although he makes clear that these facts are true of legal as well as illegal immigrants.
    According to a 1998 article in The National Academies Press, "many [previous studies] represented not science but advocacy from both sides of the immigration debate…often offered an incomplete accounting of either the full list of taxpayer costs and benefits by ignoring some programs and taxes while including others,” and that “the conceptual foundation of this research was rarely explicitly stated, offering opportunities to tilt the research toward the desired result.” One survey conducted in the 1980s found that 76 percent of economists felt recent illegal immigration had a positive effect on the economy.
    National Public Radio (NPR) wrote in 2006: the loss of illegal immigrants would stall the U.S. economy, saying illegal workers do many jobs few native-born Americans will do, and it will raise prices of market goods , making industries efforts impossible to compete against China.


    WANT to get BETTER EDUCATION(30% of white people gets a bachelor degree, 17% blacks,11% hispanics, and 50% asian) how funny knowing that white population in america is the 67% of 314,686,189= 210,839,749.63 whites, than means that only 63,251,924.889 will only get a bachelor degree what about the other 70% ? o i know right know they are wasting their time writing about something they do not know…


  263. JoSe
    November 13th, 2012 at 14:07 | #263

    It must be good that you can do some research and able to find facts, but still I don’t know that the heck you are trying to get across to us. Ever thought about writing a Manuscript? Well, don’t because you have to write your own thoughts and not some that you can paste and copy.

  264. Deyson
    November 13th, 2012 at 14:12 | #264

    I think he was trying to add some facts and figures to the conversation.
    I was not even aware of these numbers, which are very impressive in showing that maybe illegals are more of help to our economy than what many believe.

  265. Deyson
    November 13th, 2012 at 14:16 | #265

    Thank you John for adding some facts and numbers to our feelings. :)

  266. pat bean
    December 4th, 2012 at 14:46 | #266

    @Lori Pobuk
    ur so stupid how are ur ideas that way just go live under a rock

  267. JoSe
    December 4th, 2012 at 17:08 | #267

    It’s not the illegals. It’s the people ( Advocates ) that feel the illegals have to live here and not get in the legal way as it has been done by many that are now living legally in our country.

  268. Proud American
    December 6th, 2012 at 09:12 | #268

    It is called “illegal immigration” for a reason people. My family entered the country lawfully. Why should we bend the rules now? Sure, pour out your bleeding heart statistics out all you want, but the facts remain. They are entering illegally! Its a crime. How would you feel if a man gunned down your family? Would you still say, ” He is a productive, tax paying person, so lets not punish him”? The crime, reguardless of the severity, must be punished. These laws and rules were enacted to maintain a peacful and productive society. I myself don’t agree with all of them but try to follow them.
    As far as securing our boarders, our government is doing a substandard job of it. Not only are hundreds of illegal immigrants crossing into our country daily, but along with them, hundreds of criminals. I’m not saying that all illegal immigrants are violent criminals, but a large enough percentage of them are. Yes, all of them are criminals. Some may say that this is a victimless crime. We, the people of the United States are the victims! My tax dollars are spent to stop the illegal entry, care for these people, house them, police them, educate them, and I can go on and on. These resources could be used to help the people the belong here. I know that it is not easy to be approved for citizanship, but don’t you think its that way for a reason?
    Also, I have respect and pride for this great nation. Most illegal immigrants don’t. They are here for one thing, money. Yes, we are all trying to reach for that big stack of money. But I am nat here illegally doing it or sending it out of the country.

  269. Deyson
    December 6th, 2012 at 09:56 | #269

    We all break the laws. We have so many laws we can not even keep track of them all to get a total number.
    From what I have read each one of us breaks at least 3 laws a day. It seems to me laws are thrown around like confetti, it makes me wonder if they are created for our protection of for pure profit motives, my guess is the latter.

    We are no saints either, we have invaded over 20 countries in the last 20 years, some legally and some not.
    There is enough evidence around to show we break laws overseas all the time.

    Also, do not forget to take into account the high number of Americans leaving this country because of our out of control debt. This also include immigrants as well, more immigrants are leaving then coming in from what I understand.

    If we keep spending the way we do soon we will be heading to Mexico for asylum.
    Look at all the companies that are leaving because of so much over regulation and over taxation.

    If you really want to punish some real criminals then look into greedy and crooked politicians. Many are the ones that create the biggest harm of all and as we know from history Debt is the biggest killer of nations.

    I fear Debt much more than some immigrants that want to do jobs we do not want to do on land we took from them. Debt, poverty, and hunger can turn anyone into a criminal just to survive. We should keep an eye on our spending. I personally believe the quickest solution is to cut spending all across the board to avoid any debate.

    My real question is “who will protect us when we are completely broke”. And printing more money is not the solution.

    - Proud Human

  270. Deyson
    December 6th, 2012 at 10:24 | #270

    On the positive note:
    - World Violence is going down
    - Global awareness is rising.
    - People’s ability to communicate is getting better and faster. ( power)
    - Inovation is increasing.
    - More options and access for free and better education is getting popular.
    - We have more freedom now than ever before.
    - Vegetarian diet is getting popular.
    - We are more health and diet conscience.
    - We live longer.
    - Governments are having a harder time lying to its people.
    - We are crossing borders thanks to the internet, increasing our awareness of the beautiful world around us.

    Yes the world is not perfect, but if you turn off the news long enough we can see things are not as bad as we thought :)

  271. JoSe
    December 6th, 2012 at 11:09 | #271

    We live in a country that punishes the people that work and earn a good income by taxing them the most. Those that earn less get rewarded by the Government giving them benefits courtesy of our tax money. Why should we pay, when low income earners decide they want more children knowing they can’t support them out of their own pockets? Now the wealthy will have to pay more taxes then the rest of us, so shouldn’t everyone pay the same percentage no matter how much they earn yearly? This may not make sense to those that are not wealthy, but don’t you think they are being punished for making a better life for themselves. Just saying!

  272. Jenny
    December 10th, 2012 at 11:58 | #272

    You cannot say that illegal immigrants are not contributing to this country because they pay tax and the jobs that American don’t want to do, the Hispanic people are doing these jobs. When I say that, I refer to the jobs of picking strawberries and things like that. Thanks

  273. Deyson
    December 10th, 2012 at 12:04 | #273

    In my opinion I think we should do away with income tax and just stick to a flat tax for everyone through what we buy. But first we need to do away with so much spending.

  274. JoSe
    December 10th, 2012 at 14:52 | #274

    People that earn more should get more in refund checks then those that earn less and get Big Refund Checks. Something is wrong here when they get more and pay less. What could it be. Our Government rewards them for having children they can’t afford to support.

  275. jonathan
    December 12th, 2012 at 15:04 | #275

    maybe before you poswt somthing as ignorant as this you should do your research first.

    Illegal immigrants pay social security payroll taxes but are not eligible for benefits. During 2006, Standard & Poor’s analysts wrote: “Each year, for example, the U.S. Social Security Administration maintains roughly $6 billion to $7 billion of Social Security contributions in an “earnings suspense file”—an account for W-2 tax forms that cannot be matched to the correct Social Security number. The vast majority of these numbers are attributable to undocumented workers who will never claim their benefits.

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    Most arguments against illegal immigration begin with the premise that the illegal don’t pay income taxes, and that they therefore take more in services than they contribute. However, IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year.[29] Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.[29] Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay in about $7 billion per year into Social Security.[30] Most illegal immigrants pay sales, federal and state income taxes. In addition they also spend millions per year which support US and helps create new jobs. The Texas State Comptroller report in 2006 that the 1.4 million illegal immigrants in Texas alone added almost $18 billion to the state’s budget, and paid $1.2 billion in state services they used.[31]
    Their Social Security and Medicare contributions directly support older Americans as illegal immigrants are not eligible to receive these services.[32] The Internal Revenue Service issues an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have Federal tax return and payment responsibilities under


    Arizona has the highest number of illegal immigrants than other states in US. They contribute about 12% a share of the workforce.Illegal immigrants are filling gaps in fields where there is a low job demand among Americans workers because of a low pay. Per Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association 2010 report GA farmers suffered because of new state regulation for reporting and not hiring any illegal immigrant. GA farmers lost more than 50% of the labor and crops because of limited labor force.[
    Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year. The advantages of illegal migration tend mostly to be on the side of the employer. An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. Hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs
    Approximately 0.5 million dwellings have become permanently vacant as a result of a reduction in the illegal immigrant population.
    The reduced demand for housing created permanent unemployment for hundreds of thousands of building contractors, realtors, and mortgage brokers.
    Economic decline caused by reduced spending by illegal immigrants in the US occurred at the same time as a rise in unemployment of approximately 1 million legal US workers that provide goods and services for the illegal immigrant population.
    Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by illegal immigrant activities within the US.

    thanks for your ignorance :]
    btw i am studying this for my 10th grade project

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  277. February 2nd, 2013 at 21:02 | #277

    you do realize that the U.S. is already going to go bankrupt, right? do you know how much debt we are in?

  278. Kemosabe
    February 2nd, 2013 at 21:26 | #278

    Before you know it an illegal will be President, if Obama has his way. I know you have to be an American citizen, but Laws are being changed, so it wouldn’t surprise me; if somehow an illegal can somehow be a President.

  279. Kemosabe
    February 3rd, 2013 at 09:05 | #279

    @cool guy The Government should start buying tickets for the Power Ball and Mega Million lottery, so we can eliminate this Debt.

  280. Deyson
    February 3rd, 2013 at 12:14 | #280

    I could care less if an illegal was president as long as he or she realizes that we the people are the real leaders and he or she does not try to rip the constitution to shreds.

  281. JoSe
    February 3rd, 2013 at 12:39 | #281

    @Deyson We have no say, so how can we be the real leaders? We are here for a purpose and that’s to make sure no one dies of hunger, and we have to pay to feed them. The Constitution is already being ripped by our Present President.

  282. Deyson
    February 3rd, 2013 at 13:00 | #282

    We have plenty say, we are over 350 million strong that is a huge number. We fund this nation, we are the ones that pay much in taxes to keep it running. The ones that pay the salaries are the ones in charge and that is us.

    Yes they may be trying to rip it apart, but if we all wanted to we have the tape to put it back together. Heck if this nation could defeat the most powerful empire in history, ordinary people stuck together and did something many thought was impossible 200 years ago, than imagine what we could do now that we have the most powerful tool in human history, fast communication. We can not give up after we have gone so far. :)

    From what I understand it is not the constitution itself that gives us freedom, but from knowing and understanding the meaning behind constitution and how it came to be. This is something we have to study for ourselves.

  283. JoSe
    February 3rd, 2013 at 18:59 | #283

    @Deyson I am like you I believe we can stand together, but 50 million isn’t going to be enough. The other 300 million are followers and nothing else. The ones that depend on us should move to another country.

  284. Deyson
    February 3rd, 2013 at 19:04 | #284

    I believe the number of followers has been going down especially with all the government corruption being exposed by independent internet coverage.

    The only other country that I can think of that is doing pretty well is New Zealand and it is expensive and hard to go there.

  285. JoSe
    February 3rd, 2013 at 19:56 | #285

    @Deyson They don’t welcome illegals as our country does?

  286. Deyson
    February 4th, 2013 at 05:32 | #286

    If we call them illegals because they break the law then in that case mostly everyone in this country can be called one. From what I understand everyone breaks at least 3 laws a day because we have so many laws that we can not even get an exact number.

    Also, I think we have a false understanding of our history. We think we used to have good ole days. But in reality it seems our history was much worse than the days we live in today. Just look at our history of racism, McCarthyism, depressions, wars, nuclear scares, violence rates etc etc.

    Yes things are not perfect but it seems we are a lot better off. We now are starting to see more government transparency, look at SOPA. Most countries have an internet Ban and they tried that here and people rose up and said no and we won.

    We also have more freedom of speech, most countries do not. We also have the right to bear arms, very few other countries do and the ones that do are the ones that are most democratic and have the lowest gun violence rates ( go figure )

    We can not just focus on the negatives we need to find the positives, but we will not find the positives watching the evening news. Their job is to sell advertising and if we watch the commercials we will see why it can be filled with so much depressing news stories.

  287. JoSe
    February 4th, 2013 at 09:12 | #287

    @Deyson We have freedom of speech, but those that work for a company or a Network or Radio station have no freedom of speech since they get fired for their Freedom of Expression.

  288. Deyson
    February 4th, 2013 at 10:41 | #288

    I believe we have a lot more freedom of speech now than years ago. If anyone said anything that was not deemed acceptable they would have been labeled a ( fill in the blank ) and they would suffer that consequence. Which may have been very serious.

    Plus those that have gotten fired or censored are from big networks and big network rules, like Howard Stern, Bill Maher and John Stossel, but they left and got new jobs somewhere else and are doing much better now. Much better than living in other countries where they really do not have freedom of speech and they would be locked up in the dungeon for voicing their views. Plus internet media watching is becoming much more popular now than TV and Radio.

    Like I said we are not perfect but we are much better off than those that have gotten the Internet Ban for example, if we were there we would not be having this conversation right now at all.

    We have to focus on the positives or else depression will just doom us all. Our minds are very powerful and can create a world based on where we place our focus. Our choice is to focus on fear and negativity or focus on positivity and love. The choice is ours.

  289. JoSe
    February 4th, 2013 at 12:47 | #289

    @Deyson I give up and acknowledge you are perfect in your responses, so until later I will ride into the sunset and disappear for awhile.

  290. Deyson
    February 4th, 2013 at 12:54 | #290

    Thank you Jose. Trust me many of the things you have said I felt strongly as well too. But then I realized that the best way to divide people is to fill them with fear and dread and the best way to beat this is by studying out history and finding the positive around us.

    My advice is no to listen to those that are trying to sell you house alarms and anti depression pills ( we know what that is )

    Have a great ride Jose is has been a great chat! :)

  291. riley
    February 15th, 2013 at 01:06 | #291

    @omar campos
    if you went back to your country, then we could get a job. AND PAY TAX ON WHAT WE EARN DO YOU??? we can no longer keep care of you pople

  292. February 15th, 2013 at 10:37 | #292

    @riley If you can’t get a job then maybe it’s because you don’t have any good skills, but they do have openings at fast food eateries for dishwashers, so you better apply fast or some illegal will take the job. Bad spelling won’t get you a decent job.

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  297. Carolina Flores
    April 2nd, 2013 at 08:15 | #297

    Statistics have shown that whites are the ones with biggest percentage to receive economic aid from the government! Yet you’re all implying that we don’t pay for anything? That’s frankly so retarted.

  298. April 2nd, 2013 at 12:46 | #298

    Everyone in this country gets something from the Tax Payers. I don’t care to say from the ( Government ) because it’s the money of the tax payers that is given out by the Government. If we paid no more taxes then it would mean no more free money to losers or the lazies of this country.

  299. April 2nd, 2013 at 20:21 | #299

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  301. JoSe
    April 26th, 2013 at 20:44 | #301

    I don’t pay taxes anymore because I retired twelve years ago and now I am collecting my share of Social Security that I paid into every week for the many years that I worked, and seldom had a day off that is until vacation came around once a year. I also collect a Pension from the company that I worked for too, so double the pleasure is nice, but you have to earn it and not expect the tax payers to fund your lazy life until you die. I am referring to the people that never work and always seem to have a better life than most people that are working, and our Government is at fault because the Government doesn’t care since it’s our money they give to these lazy people. What bothers me is Medicare is something we paid to have in the future, but the Government seems to think it’s Medicaid and those two are not the same since those on Medicaid don’t pay to have that Healthcare like we paid to have Medicare. I feel sorry for those that will retire years from now because we don’t know what our Government will do to ruin Medicare or Social Security.

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